OOC - [Epic] Scions of the Endless Falls - Full

[Kelleris]

Hmm, well, I'll just drop the +2 Wis, then, since I'd like to keep the 7 that the character originally had. Also, just FYI, looking at the fey in the MM, it is almost always the case that they have a higher Wis than Int (the only exception is the Pixie). However, the difference is usually just one point (same mod, and the wisdom score is odd), and 3 points at the most. Maybe if I track down a particularly bright fey parent? Alternatively, could I drop the Con penalty? Fey are as hardy as normal humans, although they aren't exactly resplendent with bonus hps.

As for the spell-like abilities, all I meant was taking the listed HD progression and taking it up to epic levels (it caps at 20 now). That would perhaps be a fair trade-off for the wings and possibly for the Wisdom bonus?

 

[Kangaxx]

Kanagaxx - I think it comes from the rule that no matter how many attacks you make in the round you're eligible for a sneak attack, only the first attack is sneaky. So if you have 15 orbs of acid, only the first gets the sneak attack damage, and the rest are normal.

I'm not familiar with that rule. I can't find it in the phb or dmg.

 

[Serpenteye]

If you have a PrC, you are meant to continue with the epic progression of that class.

Now, of course 5 level PrC, like Archmage, not having any epic progression doesn't really help much in this case.

A simple and obvious solution would be to make a Sorcerer 6/Some Sorcerous PrC 10/Archmage 4/Epic Some Sorcrous PrC 10 for 30th level.

And in the end that solution would surely result in a much more convoluted min-maxed character than the very straight-forward character I want.
I can see the issue being decided either way, as far as the actual rules are concerned, it's simply a question of DM judgement. If Isida rules that my proposed character is unviable I'll have to go with a single class Sorcerer and try to make the best of the situation.

Okay, I think, if I remember correctly, that it is in the Epic FAQ. But it is a download and I am at work. Here is a link to the page where you can download it http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a

I didn't find anything about the issue there.

 

[Wrahn]

Darn it, I thought that was it. I will keep looking then.

 

[Isida Kep'Tukari]

I don't know where I saw that rule about sneak attacks, but I think it was in the FAQ, or on the WotC boards or something. Otherwise you get silly combinations like 15 acid orbs with 13d6 sneak attack damage apiece. Anyway, that is my ruling on it.

Kelleris - I think that would be a good-trade off. What kinds of abilities were you thinking about for the higher levels?

Serpenteye - one must have 20 levels of sorcerer to take epic sorcerer levels. That's the trade off for prestige class abilities at lower levels. So you could take epic levels of archmage if you max that out, but no levels of epic sorcerer until you are a 20th level sorcerer. Not with 20 level of spellcasting, but with 20 levels of the spellcasting class. The bonus epic feats are the reward for sticking with straight sorcerer for 20 levels.

 

[Ferrix]

Kanagaxx - I think it comes from the rule that no matter how many attacks you make in the round you're eligible for a sneak attack, only the first attack is sneaky. So if you have 15 orbs of acid, only the first gets the sneak attack damage, and the rest are normal.

Any attack that meets the qualifications for sneak attack gets the sneak attack damage; however, an attack action or spell that has multiple attack rolls only gets the sneak attack damage once.

Thus, if you have a flat-footed opponent and say you did a full-attack on him with three attacks, each attack is eligible for sneak attack damage. Now the same flat-footed opponent, but this time you cast scorching ray to toast him, that's 3 or 4 rays in one spell, however sneak attack damage only gets applied to one ray (supposedly).

The only thing I have seen that contradicts this, is the improved manyshot feat from the XPH which allows you to make an attack roll with each arrow you fire during a manyshot standard action, and precision based damage (etc.) applies to each, and each one can potentially crit.

 

[Thanee]

I'm not familiar with that rule. I can't find it in the phb or dmg.

Well, you won't find it written in clear words there, really.

Sneak Attack bonus is applied to an attack and the spell as a whole is considered an attack (not every attack roll), therefore you only apply it once, basically.

Should be in one of the FAQs, but don't ask me where exactly. Could've been in Tome & Blood also. It definitely works that way ("precision damage" in general is only applied once per attack), however.

Maybe ask the question over in the rules forum and with some luck someone can quote you any relevant passages.

Here's a similar/comparable quote from the 3.5 FAQ, that should show the trend:

Can you use Manyshot with a sneak attack? If so, do all
the arrows deal sneak attack damage?
You can sneak attack with Manyshot. If you do, only one
arrow in the volley deals sneak attack damage.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Ferrix]

In response to the talk on the epic progression of the sorcerer.

Thus the reason epic levels suck for characters who are multiclassed core-classes. A rogue 10/fighter 10 has got a hard road ahead unless he takes an Epic prestige class once he crosses over into epic land.

 

[Wrahn]

Actually depending on if you want to advance as a fighter or not, you may not be losing anything:

Whenever an epic character is allowed to pick up a feat as part of character level advancement, he or she can choose either a nonepic feat or an epic feat

and gaining 4 attacks from the 17 BAB is probably worth losing out on the 2 bonus feats if you were going up as a rogue. No actually the Fighter/Rogue you describe I think would be pretty balanced overall.

 

[Isida Kep'Tukari]

Any attack that meets the qualifications for sneak attack gets the sneak attack damage; however, an attack action or spell that has multiple attack rolls only gets the sneak attack damage once.

Thus, if you have a flat-footed opponent and say you did a full-attack on him with three attacks, each attack is eligible for sneak attack damage. Now the same flat-footed opponent, but this time you cast scorching ray to toast him, that's 3 or 4 rays in one spell, however sneak attack damage only gets applied to one ray (supposedly).

The only thing I have seen that contradicts this, is the improved manyshot feat from the XPH which allows you to make an attack roll with each arrow you fire during a manyshot standard action, and precision based damage (etc.) applies to each, and each one can potentially crit.

Emphasis mine. But those two phrases seem to contradict each other as well.