[OOC] House Millithor in City of the Spider Queen II

[Dalamar]

Endur, which, if any, of the Master Thrower PrC's thrown weapon tricks would you allow as feats and with what prerequisites?

I'm looking specifically at Palm Throw and Deadeye Shot.

 

[Xael]

Short ansver to discussion of faith: OOC -wise I think that all the priestresses should already have converted. But think about this: If any male would chance his faith from Lloth in a blink of an eye, and tell about it to, well, about any priestress, what would happen?

A disintegrated creature’s equipment is unaffected.

Yeah, but Endur mentioned something about his ruling earlier. Like some stuff going *poof*.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

I've already said my opinion, religion, clerics, and paladins, all revolve around test of faith. I don’t think that any truly devoted would give up their faith that quickly. I think a deity would be able to tell the difference between faith and faking it out of fear, or for power.

I think if you had the abilities like spell casting at one point in time you are former and not a later. A deity would have ignored your “call” long ago.

 

[Seonaid]

Ah, but in some cases, the deity doesn't care if you serve out of true faith or not. Somehow I doubt Lolth truly cares who her worshippers are, and why.

 

[Xael]

Ah, but in some cases, the deity doesn't care if you serve out of true faith or not. Somehow I doubt Lolth truly cares who her worshippers are, and why.

I agree. But somehow I think that Narcelia should disagree.

 

[Pyrex]

I think if you had the abilities like spell casting at one point in time you are former and not a later.

I tend to agree with you on that one. That's why Carcelon is still trying to find an alternative to conversion.

 

[Seonaid]

Since Narcelia is a cleric, you're probably right, Xael, and she wouldn't feel that way about Lolth. However, it's not unheard of for certain gods to blatantly not care. ::shrug:: In any event, Narcelia also is looking for options that do not include conversion, as she feels a lot like Quertus. And if it does turn out to be a huge test (though we, the players, know it isn't), it would probably be, to put it mildly, a Very Bad Thing to convert.

Edit: Ugh, I feel incoherent this lovely snowy Tuesday morning.

 

[Serpenteye]

But think about this: If any male would chance his faith from Lloth in a blink of an eye, and tell about it to, well, about any priestress, what would happen?

Well, that would probably be insubordination, wouldn't it? Desertion, treason, etc. Males are really not entitled to make that kind of desicion on their own and would therefore be punished. It's a question of hierarchy not theology. A Matron Mother can afford to be a hypochrite .

I agree that converting is a bit contrived, even after I have tried to justify it IC, but what else can we do? The Grave Rending beckons. The control over the biggest undead horde Toril has ever seen lies within our reach. Would it not be worth it IC, compromising your religion to have a shot at becoming that powerful?

 

[Seonaid]

Ye-es . . . to some. But it would be better if we could find a way to do it without converting, be it through outright force or trickery. The former is unlikely, but quite possible, and the latter is unlikely and probably not as possible. None of us know Kiransalee very well, and therefore it's hard to tell how she would take it if we deluded her lackeys and used them to our own purposes. Hm, when it's put that way, she probably wouldn't like it very much. But then again, as I said--we don't know. I think Quertus's idea (I think it was him) of taking over with force is a better plan, though it could get messy. Could we maybe subvert on of the Kiransalites? Turn them back to Lolth?

I don't know; I'm just babbling, I think. I do have a feeling that no one, Lolth included, cares who the males worship, as long as they don't try to overthrow the females and the current order (which seems to put Lolth on top).

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

"Dogma: Fear is as strong as steel, while love and respect are soft and useless. Convert or destroy nonbeliever drow. Weed out the weak and the rebellious. Destroy impugners of the faith. Sacrifice males, slaves, and those of other races who ignore the commands of Lolth or her clerics. Raise children to praise and fear Lolth; each family should produce at least one cleric to serve her. Questioning Lolth's motives or wisdom is a sin, as is aiding nondrow against the drow, or ignoring Lolth's commands for the sake of a lover. Revere arachnids of all kinds; those who kill or mistreat a spider must die."

Now this can be read with my opinion or with your opinion, but it's their for debate.

Weed out the weak

That above would be someone who is serving out of fear, IMO. Lolth doesn't want them either.

Ask yourself: Has your character being worshipping Lolth out of fear for her whole life? If so then I see no reason why she wouldn’t take the chance to convert.