[OOC] Of Vile Darkness - Full

[Brother Shatterstone]

Anyone have any idea why Aekir wouldn't kill the "witness" (Loviana)? Don't particularly wish to devolve into inter "party" conflict, but Aekir would kill anyone who had seen his face and could associate it with what happened.

Wow great question... Loviana herself isn't quite pleased with the situation as she had plans to use Brother Terrel to get to Orshallan. Now that plan is in trouble, or is dead cause Terrel is hurt and probably didn’t mark up Loviana up enough, or finished the job for her “he raped me and please protect me” plan.

Now if Terrel isn’t dead and you have no issues with beating a girl properly, man I can't believe I just typed that, where she is bruised and battered Loviana could possibly still use this plan. The knight goes unmentioned and you beat Terrel off. Terrel’s memory would be muddled from the blow but I imagine he would still fail any test of innocents that this world has as he was raping her after all and Loviana could probably pull some strings to get your ‘sister” blindness healed as a reward from Orshallan…

Of course there is a few issues. Loviana has no reason to trust you nor would you trust her and how close do you really want to be of highly exulted people in excellent standing with good deities?

 

[Wrahn]

My real problem is that he has no reason to believe that Loviana is anything other than a hapless girl who would die very quickly. There are other issues, such as the knight was ambushed and escaped, he may be back, this time with friends. Aekir feels he is under a time constraint because of this.

If Loviana ran, he would not follow. It may be in Loviana's best interest to run anyway, I am not sure how well she is protected from detect evil, but if I were a knight and I knew I had just been ambushed I would certainly wonder who percisely was involved.

I can see a few options here. You let Aekir hit you once and play dead. This has a few dangerous side effects, first being the negetive energy level that comes with his claw attack, which sucks, but should be realitively easily overcome in 24 hours (DC= 10 + (11/2) - 2). The second, is less of a problem, but if you make a bluff roll it shouldn't be too much of a problem. He knows when he has killed someone with energy drain. He would just assume that the damage from the claw killed you, but it would mean that you were more than you appeared, but if you made your bluff check he would still think you dead.

Second option is you run, back into the building or further down the alley, Aekir would not feel he would have the time to pursue you and would leave.

The knights could return and Aekir would more than likely flee if out numbered.

Loviana and Aekir could fight.

He could be called off by (whatshername) the other assassin.

Something I haven't considered

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

My real problem is that he has no reason to believe that Loviana is anything other than a hapless girl who would die very quickly. There are other issues, such as the knight was ambushed and escaped, he may be back, this time with friends. Aekir feels he is under a time constraint because of this.

You contradict yourself nicely in this post... If he so constrained for time why doesn't he just run and forget about Loviana, you did help break up her "rape", and to be honest a rape victim is probably busy thinking of other things that to worry about the would around her.

If Loviana ran, he would not follow. It may be in Loviana's best interest to run anyway, I am not sure how well she is protected from detect evil, but if I were a knight and I knew I had just been ambushed I would certainly wonder who precisely was involved.

You might think it is but to her she is still trying to make her plan work but she has the advantage as she knows your evil. (By actions and by aura though I would ask for a ruling by aura.)

I can see a few options here. You let Aekir hit you once and play dead. This has a few dangerous side effects, first being the negetive energy level that comes with his claw attack, which sucks, but should be realitively easily overcome in 24 hours (DC= 10 + (11/2) - 2). The second, is less of a problem, but if you make a bluff roll it shouldn't be too much of a problem. He knows when he has killed someone with energy drain. He would just assume that the damage from the claw killed you, but it would mean that you were more than you appeared, but if you made your bluff check he would still think you dead.

This might work and she might consider it later on but not as option A.

The knights could return and Aekir would more than likely flee if out numbered.

Loviana has no desire to be close to the knight or you...

Loviana and Aekir could fight.

What? This isn't a comic book where heroes fight for little to know reason on a misunderstanding... I'm sure Loviana can hold her own long enough for you to at least realize she could have defended herself from Brother Terrel if she had wanted too.

He could be called off by (whatshername) the other assassin.

This makes sense to me I imagine being struck blind like that would be quite unnerving and would cause her to have serious issues such as screaming or at least asking for you over and over again.

 

[Wrahn]

You contradict yourself nicely in this post... If he so constrained for time why doesn't he just run and forget about Loviana, you did help break up her "rape", and to be honest a rape victim is probably busy thinking of other things that to worry about the would around her.

It isn't a contradiction, he is pressed for time, but he is figuring 6 seconds to kill "The Victim" (Loviana). He figures he has a few rounds before they are able to coordinate their return. Ultimately relying on a nearly raped girls faulty memory to protect his identity is something Aekir would prefer to avoid

You might think it is but to her she is still trying to make her plan work but she has the advantage as she knows your evil. (By actions and by aura though I would ask for a ruling by aura.)

If you can see aura you would know he was strongly evil.

What? This isn't a comic book where heroes fight for little to know reason on a misunderstanding... I'm sure Loviana can hold her own long enough for you to at least realize she could have defended herself from Brother Terrel if she had wanted too.

It isn't my ideal plan either, but if Aekir attacked and Loviana defended herself... Thus the post.

This makes sense to me I imagine being struck blind like that would be quite unnerving and would cause her to have serious issues such as screaming or at least asking for you over and over again.

The only real problem I see with that is she can't see what Aekir is doing. Even if she did "order" him to leave immediately, he would still "tie off the loose end" and attempt to kill "the victim"

I suppose another solution is to just metagame it and have him leave, believing he is too rushed for time to take the time.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Just do what you think your character would do.... It's what I do and its what I expect others to do. We are not a group and I don’t except us to act like one.

It will take much longer than 5 seconds, and I’ll need some time to figure out what Loviana is carrying but that shouldn't effect you.

 

[Isida Kep'Tukari]

Pretty much right now it's Aekir's move, so go ahead any time you're ready Wrahn.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Isida, hey since we just interested combat, or at least Loviana did, I would like to know how her initiative will fall in this… (it will help me write her response.)

Sorry for not thinking of this earlier.

 

[Wrahn]

Where is Loviana getting Divine Might from? I looked over your character in the rogues gallery and I couldn't find where she got the feat. Though I did notice that your BAB is apparently too high (assuming that Corrupters and Bond Blades get Fighter BABs you still lose one from rogue for +9/+4).

Also is Loviana considered Human (Is a human with a half-nymph template a human)? Aekir is a ranger and has favored enemy: Human if she is.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Where is Loviana getting Divine Might from? I looked over your character in the rogues gallery and I couldn't find where she got the feat. Though I did notice that your BAB is apparently too high (assuming that Corrupters and Bond Blades get Fighter BABs you still lose one from rogue for +9/+4).

Yeah that’s my error I'll edit it out... not sure how I made her without it... Then again if I ever miss made a character its this one.

As for the BAB I'll half to redue the math when I get home.

Also is Loviana considered Human (Is a human with a half-nymph template a human)? Aekir is a ranger and has favored enemy: Human if she is.

She a fey.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Anyhow since Loviana is about to be mauled to death I thought I would say a few last words before I get kicked off the island...

Anyhow, in the few games I've played with evil characters I can honestly say that they work together only as long as there is a common goal or someone stronger that they fear... There was neither in this case and with good role playing their can only be one outcome...

As for the character concept I ran it's inherently weak combatively… I think the major issue stems from the use of a PrC, there where simply to many feats where tied up getting the requirements done. Even in a social game the PrC was a bad choice as the spells, and abilities from the corruptor class would have been more useful than the PrC.

Also I figured I spent my money rather unwisely for the character.

Other notes on the concept is that I’ve used it with more success in another game, though it still has various issues, and that character was used for my solo game with Jarval as a gestalt character. So far I love the dual classes of gestalt, and the simple fact that I get to use my Book of the Righteous, but I imagine against other gestalts that the same issues will arise again but I’ll half to wait and see on that one.

I think I’ll miss Isida’s wonderfully descriptive post and world the most… if you have an opening please don’t hesitate to ask me. (I promise no emails! ) I would also like to thank her publicly for putting up with me as I know I’m no picnic.

Anyhow to everyone, thanks for all the wonderful posts and I know I wouldn't have been able to survive some of my shifts without you guy taking my mind of work.