Orcus of Necromancer Games says "You were right, I was wrong"

[Henry]

Personally, I have no problem with where Clark put this. I'm not actively moderating these days, though, so if someone comes along and contradicts me, don't let that freak anyone out.

Clark, we'e all had a "don't see the forest for the trees" moment. As great a job as I think the 4E Design team has done, and as much as I respect all Scott Rouse goes to bat for us gamers, I'm still very unhappy with the GSL and PDF situations that Wotc Brass has settled on - but I'm glad the OGL still shines to pick up the ball.

Keep rockin', oh Horned Ruler of the Undead.

 

[Mistwell]

I posted here, too, because back at the time of the 3 to 4E changeover there was a ton of discussion about the impact on the game and the game environment by this. Those of you who remember know what I am talking about. Multiple, multiple threads. So I figured it would be of interest for possible discussion.

Also, if I am going to come in and say "you were right I was wrong" I didnt want to do it in the publisher thread--a much smaller thread--and risk looking like I'm dodging the full pelting I may take. So I posted here in the big boy forum.

Clark

First half of your post is relevant to what you just said.

Second half is an ad, which belongs in either a signature or a different forum or both.

Sets a bad precedent in my opinion.

 

[Treebore]

Did Necromancer do Ravenloft products during 3e? I only recall White Wolf/Sword & Sorcery doing them.

Unless I'm just trippin' and didn't notice Clark's name on any of the SSS Ravenloft stuff I have.

Technically, Arthaus did 3E Ravenloft, and World of Warcraft, and like Necromancer Games PUBLISHED via White Wold under the Sword and Sorcery banner. Other publishers, such as Malhavoc and Fiery Dragon did the same at one point in time.

 

[DreadPirateMurphy]

Psh, given how hard it is for some folks to admit a mistake, doing so in the main forum is pretty admirable. I also agree that if he hadn't posted the product info, somebody would have asked.

Just as long as we don't get a rash of product announcements in the form of confessionals. "I forgot to feed my dog, so come buy my new module done in tribute, Bloodhound Pass!"

 

[ruemere]

First half of your post is relevant to what you just said.

Second half is an ad, which belongs in either a signature or a different forum or both.

Sets a bad precedent in my opinion.

Actually, you're not entirely correct. The link leads to press release located at "EN World D&D / RPG News > Industry Forums > Publishers & Press Releases". The product are not even named or presented (except Slumbering Tsar).
It's an ad in a sense every post with a link leading to any press release or publisher's site is. It's a gray zone since Clark's an official representative...

IMHO, the apologies should go mostly to modules' authors whose products were kept on a shelf for such a long time. Personally, my only gripe is that there is no print version - I am not a big fan of reading PDFs.

Regards,
Ruemere

 

[Orcus]

Personally, my only gripe is that there is no print version - I am not a big fan of reading PDFs.

Working on Print on Demand with DTRPG. That should be coming soon.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

I would be interested to here what those lots of reasons were. Though 3PP rules material is proving difficult under the GSL, adventures are prime candidates.

Seems like asking Clark to engage in a bit of needless stirring of the if you ask me.

 

[Skywalker]

Seems like asking Clark to engage in a bit of needless stirring of the if you ask me.

Not really. I am interested in recent developments in 3PP with the GSL. OBE stopped for very specific reasons (rules material is difficult to do) and Adamant seems to have come to the conclusion that adventures are the most viable product under the GSL. As such, I am genuinely interested in why Necromancer considered that adventures were too difficult to release under the GSL. Any insights could be useful to other 3PP.

Was it something inherent in the GSL? Was it the time needed to learn the ins and outs of the GSL? Was it due to the need to include new rules information?

 

[SteveC]

Well this makes me more than a little sad. I love Necromancer Games products, and own just about all of them, but 4E is my edition of choice. While I'm happy they'll be released, they're not for me, and I won't be purchasing them.

Why should anyone care? You probably shouldn't, except that I've been a Necromancer fan since day one, and they would have been a slam dunk for me if they were created for an edition I actually played.

It sounds like this was a choice of "release them in 3x or not at all," in which case I'm glad they came out for fans of the old system...but it's sad that WotC couldn't work something out with someone as reasonable as the Necro guys.

--Steve

 

[Tharkun]

It takes more to man up to admitting ones mistakes than not and for that you are worth more respect than some.