[OT]Brett Favre

[Storminator]

Utterly cheap and having very very lil to do with the game and play itself.

I snipped all the parts I agree with.

I don't think the hit was cheap, nor would I say it had nothing to do with the game. You hit your opponent every chance you get, in order to break down his play in the fourth quarter. In short, you make it as hard as possible on the other guy. Pounding the tar out of him when his isn't looking/thinking is important.

Like I said, I agree with everything else.

PS

 

[Crothian]

Don't you think that football has become a wussy sport. 30 years ago we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The coaches would of actually yelled at you for not taking a hit that you had and rightly so. They wanted to see blood, either theres or yours. This isn't pee wee football. They are professionals, there is no excuse for not paying attention to everything that is going on around you. If your daydreaming and someone comes and cleans your clock, you desirved what you got. Especially if he was within the rules. I would even tell that to my own teammate. I want to see a lot more hits like Warren Sapp made. Hits like that are what made the NFL in the first place, and now the league is turning football into a mockery of what it used to be. If he would of come up to him and puched him in the back of the neck as hard as he could that would of been a different story, but he didn't. Guys used to be tough, and im my oppinion if you can't take it you don't belong there in the first place.

Well, the block was a legal block and Sapp isn't be fined for it. But that is not the iddue at hand. The problem is that after Sapp blocked the guy, Sapp celebrated or something. And since the guy was injured on the ground (and from reports is seems like it is serious), to the coach it looked like Sapp's celebration was out of line, which more then likely it was. There is way too much celbrating in the NFL by people who are only doing what they are supposed to do.

So, this has nothing to do with toughness of players, or the softness of the NFL.

 

[D-rock]

So, this has nothing to do with toughness of players, or the softness of the NFL.

I agree, you shouldn't celebrate hurting someone else. I also agree that there is too much celebrating in general, and the NFL will probably use that to fine him. Although, his fine it will probably be as much or more from people claming it was a cheap shop than from the celebrating.

I was refering more to people and sports brodcasters that complaned that hits like that shouldn't happen. There also seems to be more focused on the actuall hit that the celebration. So in a way it is about the softness of the NFL.

 

[Crothian]

I was refering more to people and sports brodcasters that complaned that hits like that shouldn't happen. There also seems to be more focused on the actuall hit that the celebration. So in a way it is about the softness of the NFL.

I haven't heard that at all. I've been watching ESPN all day like I do most Mondays to get media reaction on the football weekend. All the shows that talked about it (around the horn, PTI, Sportscenter) agreed the hit was perfectly fine. Even yesterday, after the game everyone seemed to have no problem with the hit.

Now, I doubt Sapp will get fined with anything. I haven't seen any film on the celebration, but for the most part it's an accepted part of the game. I doubt Sapp would have been celebrating if he realized the guy on the ground was really injuried.

 

[Welverin]

Now, I doubt Sapp will get fined with anything. I haven't seen any film on the celebration, but for the most part it's an accepted part of the game. I doubt Sapp would have been celebrating if he realized the guy on the ground was really injuried.

I just missed something about it on the bottom line, so I check the wire online and the NFL has stated Sapp won't be fined.

 

[D-rock]

I haven't heard that at all. I've been watching ESPN all day like I do most Mondays to get media reaction on the football weekend. All the shows that talked about it (around the horn, PTI, Sportscenter) agreed the hit was perfectly fine. Even yesterday, after the game everyone seemed to have no problem with the hit.




I havn't wached ESPN or went on there website since then so your probably right. The last info I wathced was on Fox, and listening to people around me.


.................Although I still stand by my oppinion that football is too wussy

 

[WhimsyTheFae]

I am a Packer fan, and have no opinion on the legality of the hit or celebration afterword. I think what Sherman did was wrong and he should be penalized for it.

I also think that the comment Sapp made about being 25 and without a child or conscious was absurd. To even suggest that his ability to kick Mike Sherman's butt would somehow have made him right is ridiculous.

The 'Might=Right' mantra is so Orcish (game tie-in ) and irrational that I cannot respect Sapp's side on this issue. I may agree with it, but I cannot respect it. As one poster put it (Doc?), that is expected from Sapp, but it doesn't make it correct. My daughter skipping her homework and getting detention is expected as well, but I don't shrug and say that's just her. As an adult he should think a bit before he speaks. Sherman should learn to get all of the facts before jumping to conclusions and embarrassing himself and the team.

Both men allowed their emotions and pride dictate their actions in front of a national (international?) audience.

I'll get off of my soapbox now.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Sapp went overboard with his comments but I think that can be expected. He was tired adn probably still juiced on adreneline from the game. Then you had a bunch of reporters in his face poking at him about the incident.

So he basically snapped and said what he said. I doubt he was suggesting that might makes right. I think he was suggesting that if not for his age and experience he may have hauled off and clocked Sherman the instant he swore at him. Does that make it right? Not at all, but remember Sapp did nothing wrong here. He was verbally attacked for no reason by someone who should have a little class.

 

[WhimsyTheFae]

Sapp went overboard with his comments but I think that can be expected. He was tired adn probably still juiced on adreneline from the game. Then you had a bunch of reporters in his face poking at him about the incident.

So he basically snapped and said what he said. I doubt he was suggesting that might makes right. I think he was suggesting that if not for his age and experience he may have hauled off and clocked Sherman the instant he swore at him. Does that make it right? Not at all, but remember Sapp did nothing wrong here. He was verbally attacked for no reason by someone who should have a little class.

Sherman also was tired and angry. He believed his man had been cheapshotted (incorrectly). So, both actions were actions made by passionate individuals convinced of their own correctness. I do not condone either action, but both men had their justifications and both were wrong.

My last comment on this is that I (grudgingly) will agree that Sherman was in the wrong more than Sapp, because he initiated the confrontation without getting the facts. That said, I still lost a lot of respect for Sapp (and I had much respect and he had the opportunity to maintain that).

Later.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

I agree.

Sapp reacted to what Sherman said and you have to give someone a little leeway over how they react to something like that.

Sherman on the other hand had time to think about it and made the concious decision to say what he said.

Sherman also was tired and angry. He believed his man had been cheapshotted (incorrectly). So, both actions were actions made by passionate individuals convinced of their own correctness. I do not condone either action, but both men had their justifications and both were wrong.

My last comment on this is that I (grudgingly) will agree that Sherman was in the wrong more than Sapp, because he initiated the confrontation without getting the facts. That said, I still lost a lot of respect for Sapp (and I had much respect and he had the opportunity to maintain that).

Later.