[OT]Brett Favre

[Welverin]

completely off topic, but it must be done

Woo-hoo, go Eagles!

on topic: I finally saw the play and while it may be a bit questionable, I don't think there is a legitimate complaint against it.

 

[Crothian]

Ya it was a good game tonight. How many QBs though can Phili go through and still make the playoffs?

I think the Sapp hit is universally agreed to be clean and should fall to the wayside pretty fast unless film of the celebration is located. According to SC none of the TV feed of the game caught the clebration, so unless NFL films caught it this whole situation will be a memory.

 

[dpdx]

How 'bout a running game?

The Bucs are my favorite team, and while I've got nothing to say about the hit (I saw a worse one in the Detroit game where a receiver looped back and blindsided two guys), or Sherman and Sapp's outburst, where the * was Green Bay's running game?

Seems to me that's how you'd go after Tampa's defense. Pound the ball, get Lynch to come up, then sneak a TE behind him for the touchdown. And in fact, Ahman Green is a seriously potent running back, and it WAS WORKING early on. Favre was off his game, and his receivers were quitting on him, especially Glenn.

So why does he insist on dropping back and chucking it 40-50 times? Unless he expects Driver to be open on every play, it's a joke. You've got a guy who can rip 10 yards a carry, and he's sitting there PASS-BLOCKING. You gotta be kidding me!

I pin that on Sherman. (and no, this only has a *little* bit to do with the fact that Ahman is on my roto team and I lost this week by 2 pts, mostly due to that game

 

[John Crichton]

Ya it was a good game tonight. How many QBs though can Phili go through and still make the playoffs?

I think the Sapp hit is universally agreed to be clean and should fall to the wayside pretty fast unless film of the celebration is located. According to SC none of the TV feed of the game caught the clebration, so unless NFL films caught it this whole situation will be a memory.

I hate Philly but when Detmer went down I was routing hard for him not to be hurt. It looked worse than it actually was; I thought he shattered something. He played his guts out and I respect that. The 2 teams gathering at the middle of the field when he was going to be carted out was truly touching.

As for the Sapp hit, he's got a big mouth plus he was playing Green Bay. This whole thing got blown a bit out of proportion. Also, Sapp is a great player but he likes to run his mouth and is a bully. Always has been. Proven by him challenging Sherman, a guy half his size, to fight. Pick on someone your own size...

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Be fair. Sherman should no better than to challenge someone twice his size. Besides it is a stretch to say Sapp is a bully because he allowed himself to be provoked. Sapp may be a bully most of the time but that is not how he was acting in this situation. He was provoked pure and simple and handled it well enough that all he did was run his mouth. Sapp could have done a lot worse and flattened Sherman.

Also, Sapp is a great player but he likes to run his mouth and is a bully. Always has been. Proven by him challenging Sherman, a guy half his size, to fight. Pick on someone your own size...

 

[herald]

Sapp is not a bully. If you walk up to anyone his size and tell him to F-off after he puts his hand out to shake yours and say good game and I expect that you will get that most of the time.

But this is worth mentioning.

Sherman said that he crossed over the field because he was upset that Sapp was celebrating on the sideline after his player was down. This is why the whole controversy exists.

Why was Sherman watching Sapp? Why wasn't Sherman focusing on his injured player. If he is so concerned with his injury, why wasn't he talking it over with the Doctors. Lets face it, he was more than fifty yards away from Sapp when he said he saw him celebrating on the sidelines. Sapp is standing behind most of the players standing on the sidelines and you know that there were other players celebrating the interception and the return of the ball. The do it everytime the get a interception. There is a lot of congratulating on the sideline. How could he know what Sapp was saying on that side of the field. The stadium was so pumped, there is no way he could hear anything on that side of the field. Farve hates playing in Raymond James Stadium just because it is so loud.

Sherman got his feelings hurt because he didn't bring the game he was supposed to bring. Most of the sports writers picked Green Bay to win, and were wrong. He was embarrassed, and he wanted to vent his spleen on the most visable player of the Bucaneers.

When it's all said and done, the NFL just wants this to go away. They said that there will be no fine against Sapp, and that the hit was perfectly legal. People can argue on weather or not it was dirty from now until the end of time, it doesn't matter. The NFL doesn't care, the players are now focused on what they should be, next weeks game. The League won't fine Sherman either, but I'm sure that he was told to stop talking to other players like that again. So now it comes down to nothing more than a tempest in a teapot. The question for the Buc is can they keep it up. The question for Green Bay is, can Sherman get his offence together.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Well said Herald. I knew there was something in the background on this that did not look right. You noticed it more clearly than I did.

Just as a point I wanted to say that I do not know if Sapp is a bully or not. I merely pointed out that even if he was you cannot call his reaction to Sherman to be the reaction of a bully.

 

[John Crichton]

Just as a point I wanted to say that I do not know if Sapp is a bully or not. I merely pointed out that even if he was you cannot call his reaction to Sherman to be the reaction of a bully.

Sapp lacked class in his response. Threatening to beat someone up (considering he just hospitalized someone) no matter what they say to you is just lacking in class. I'm not taking any blame away from Sherman because what he did was out of line.

Said herald
Why was Sherman watching Sapp? Why wasn't Sherman focusing on his injured player. If he is so concerned with his injury, why wasn't he talking it over with the Doctors. Lets face it, he was more than fifty yards away from Sapp when he said he saw him celebrating on the sidelines. Sapp is standing behind most of the players standing on the sidelines and you know that there were other players celebrating the interception and the return of the ball. The do it everytime the get a interception. There is a lot of congratulating on the sideline. How could he know what Sapp was saying on that side of the field. The stadium was so pumped, there is no way he could hear anything on that side of the field.

It's not hard to look up for a moment to see what was going on and of course he didn't hear what Sapp was saying. Read my above example in the Eagles/Niners game about good sportsmanship.

Yes, they got an interception. Yes, it was a good thing for the team but there was a player on the field that has internal bleeding a blasted bones. Yes, that happens alot in football because it is a contact sport with huge guys knocking the stuffing out of each other. But it is a fairly well known fact that Sapp likes to hurt people when he can because he has done it in the past. That constitutes a bully. And shows lack of class when you threaten a coach just because he cussed you out, no matter what the reason. Be a man, let it go, enjoy your team's excellent victory and then go pray for the man that is in the hospital.

And I'll say that Sherman shouldn't have said a single word, either. That lacks class as well. Go prepare for next week's game after you check on your player and worry about Warren Sapp when the playoffs come around...

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[herald]

Doc,
My bully comment wasn't directed at you. Sorry to confuse you.

 

[Storminator]

The Packers for years now have had a dedicated program using their backup quarterbacks to steal the other teams defensive calls and them send them in Favre before the play got off.

I do not remember the specifics but it included one of their backups standing on the other side of the field. It came out after Chicago picked up a GB backup quarterback that was dropped by GB.

I went and looked this up Doc, since I didn't remember hearing about it. And I gotta say, you're pretty worked up over nothing.

GB stole the other teams sideline signals. Big deal. If you read the article, it clearly says that every team does it every game. Why do you think teams encode their signals AND include a decoy signaller so you don't know which is real? And why do they also change the signals at the ends of halves, quarters, and sometimes even series? Stealing the signals is expected.

A couple years ago the Patriots beat the Dolphins in part because they figured out the Dolphins' signals, and the Dolphins didn't catch on. Against the Colts two years back, Greg Beikert for the Raiders picked up the Colts' audible system during the game. You can actually hear him yelling out the plays before the snap.

It ain't cheating, it's part of the game. If the Bears let the Pack steal their signals its their own darn fault.

PS