[OT, spoilers] LOTR - The Two Towers

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What a blow! The first movie was good, this one is even better. The large-scale battle scenes are amazing... Contrary to the last Starwars (which was much better than the one before), nothing looks fake here. Whole castles, cities, armies... I still wonder how they could bring everything to life, how they could mix so well the real with the computer-animated.

The only peeve I have is... why do they hate dwarves so much?
 

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My friends saw the midnight showing, and one of them complained that they cut the entire half of book 2 out. I still have high hopes. Mind you he also on the way home described the SImilarion [sp] in 3 yr old terms in the car so everyone could understand.
 


Azure Trance said:
My friends saw the midnight showing, and one of them complained that they cut the entire half of book 2 out. I still have high hopes. Mind you he also on the way home described the SImilarion [sp] in 3 yr old terms in the car so everyone could understand.

It is full-packed. They could not have stuffed more in 3h. There is no down time. I believe you won't be disappointed. :)
 

FungiMuncher said:
All I can say is, Ents, Dragons and degenerate hobbits, too cool! :D

Yeah, gotta show the dwarves some r-e-s-p-e-c-t!

FM

They made fun of him once in the first movie, but how many times in the second?? It keeps happening. Gosh, and isn't he supposed to be a great warrior?? Only on the bridge scene is he really shown so.
 


Mr. Jackson does like his dwarf jokes, no?

Saw it today at 8pm; my initial impressions:

1) The opening scene is utterly wonderful, as is the battle on Zirakzigil.

2) Not enough time spent developing the ents and their response to Saruman. I would have preferred less of the Battle of Helm's Deep and more Treebeard/Merry/Pippin dialogue.

3) Personally, I found Faramir a bit overly unsympathetic. I'd have preferred a greater development in Frodo's and Sam's relationship with him from severe mistrust to respect.

4) Gollum is just magnificent. Well acted, wonderfully scripted, and the CGI isn't bad either.

5) Theoden's transformation from withered shell to active leader is a bit too severe, IMHO. I'd have preferred a more subtle change, and for Bernard Lewis to have been made up to look a bit older even after being cleansed of Saruman's influence.

6) The film's structure varies WIDELY from that of the book. Personally, I think the film was very well structured, and that the filmmakers made excellent decisions vis-a-vis elimination of certain portions of the book and re-ordering of certain other portions.

Overall, I have to say that I liked this one less than Fellowship. It's got great action scenes, but IMHO less mythic complexity, dramatic development, and power than FotR. Much of this is the fault of the book, which as a middle book must have been more difficult to conceive and implement as a film. But in general, this one has fewer "soft" bits than FotR, and since I tend to think that FotR handled the soft bits well, I miss them here. Also, the filming style here is much more heavy-handed (dramatic lighting and LOTS of slow-mo). There is some cinematic imagination at work (notably the beginning and a crazily-transforming dream sequence in the middle) but less than in FotR, IMHO. Not to say that The Two Towers isn't GREAT, but I don't think it's quite the equal of Fellowship.

Oh, and Eowyn's character is developed with incredible sensitivity and pathos. She's acted well too.
 

Two Towers

I completely agree with Ruleslawyer in every respect. In the book, Faramir like Galadrial were tested by the ring and win out in the end. The charisma, inner strength, moral convictions, and a sense of Faramir's great leadership, are missed completely in this movie. He is the complete opposite of Boramir his brother and this is certainly lost in the movie.

Eomer being banished was silly, but I guess it was a good way to get a dramatic ending to the battle for Helms Deep.

The Ents were overlooked in this movie almost completely, except for the battle at the end. The relationship with Treebeard, Marry and Pipin should have been developed a little better along with the Ent drink (which I can't remember) and the strength of Treebeard (Fangorn) and the rest of his ents…

Gimli and Legolas were..., well good but ..... Sometimes I think they were in the scene just to get cheers...come on surfing down the stairs on a shield.. Then stabbing yet another orc in the next with an arrow. I think I will get queasy if Leagolas does that again in The Return of the King. Then the whole dwarf tossing thing was sort of funny in the first one but kind of silly now...Just have Gimli make a mad rush in the fray and do what he does best... no cheesy lines please...

The battle at helms deep to me would have been much richer if the Ents had truly taken a more active role like in the books.

Done with the bad now with the good.

Eowyn was played beautifully; the character development was played out much better than the book did. I absolutely can't wait to see the Beautiful Eowyn Shield maiden of Rohan, in action in The Return of the King... She will be awesome. If Peter didn't change that too...

Gandalf leads a much more developed part than was ever explained in the book, which to the actors credit is great. Plus we get to see Gandalf actually kick some arse......Which is not done throughout the book except in Moria, and Gondor. So I am sure the next one he will truly be inspiring.

Aragorn still even after this move makes me want to pick up a sword and fight.. the character's lines were written well and his action scenes are incredible. The Actor Vigo makes this character come alive.

I didn't like the elves coming to the rescue of Helms deep at first but now that I think about it, it was a good plot enrichment. (This of course didn't happen in Tolkiens book)

I even like Arwyn's character, and the romantic problems between elf and man. The movie explains it much better than the books ever do. But Tolkien was not a very good romantic novelist, so I think Peter has done a great job here...


Just my Two scents worth..


Halma
 

I have seen and now I go to sleep.

Suffice to say the movie was fantastic!! The detail was astounding and the acting was first rate. It’s a must see for everyone.


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Quite possibly the greatest film I have ever seen. Tolkien purists be damned.

The film is magnificent. It reminds me of the first time I read the trilogy as a boy of about 6, the way my imagination awoke. It reminds me of the reasons I started playing D&D 23 years ago.

I've spent my life being thrown in with the "geeks" and "nerds" only because I gamed and enjoyed fantasy and sci-fi...now because of these two films two out of four people I see in a train station or waiting for bus are reading LOTR. It's been a long wait, but now maybe everyone can see what I saw all those years ago.

:D
 

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