Ownership of the print top 20?

[Samothdm]

I keep looking for the thread on ownership of the Top 20 PDF products. I would start it myself, but I'm sure someone's done it somewhere around here...

 

[Conaill]

Might as well add the PDF list to this thread. Just the top 10, because there's many fewer PDFs than print products with 5 or more votes. I'd love it if you could also post which ranking you agree with more (the main difference being the position of BoEM I and II, plus Interludes - Brief Expeditions to Bluffside):

Raw scores:

1. Steam & Steel: A Guide to Fantasy Steamworks E.N. Publishing 4.83
2. The Book of Eldritch Might Malhavoc Press 4.67
3. Elements of Magic: Revised Edition E.N. Publishing 4.67
4. Four-Color to Fantasy: Superhero Toolkit E.N. Publishing 4.60
5. Wild Spellcraft E.N. Publishing 4.60
6. SRD 3.5 Revised (Full) Bundle Creative Mountain Games 4.60
7. BoEM II: Songs and Souls of Power Malhavoc Press 4.50
8. When The Sky Falls Malhavoc Press 4.40
9. Joe's Book of Enchantment Throwing Dice Games 4.40
10. BoEM III: The Nexus Malhavoc Press 4.40

Bayesian estimate a la imdb:

1 The Book of Eldritch Might Malhavoc Press 4.40
2 Steam & Steel: A Guide to Fantasy Steamworks E.N. Publishing 4.35
3 Elements of Magic: Revised Edition E.N. Publishing 4.26
4 BoEM II: Songs and Souls of Power Malhavoc Press 4.26
5 Wild Spellcraft E.N. Publishing 4.19
6 Four-Color to Fantasy: Superhero Toolkit E.N. Publishing 4.19
7 SRD 3.5 Revised (Full) Bundle Creative Mountain Games 4.19
8 Interludes - Brief Expeditions to Bluffside Mystic Eye Games 4.12
9 When The Sky Falls Malhavoc Press 4.09
10 Joe's Book of Enchantment Throwing Dice Games 4.09
11 BoEM III: The Nexus Malhavoc Press 4.09

 

[Ed Cha]

This reminds me to start buying more PDFs than I do.

 

[Ed Cha]

It looks like the rankings have changed a bit.

1. 2000AD: Sláine RPG Mongoose Publishing 5.00 6
2. Midnight Fantasy Flight Games 5.00 6
3. Crooks! Green Ronin Publishing 5.00 5
4. The Lords of the Night: Vampires Bottled Imp Games 5.00 5
5. Mutants & Masterminds Green Ronin Publishing 4.92 12
6. Tome of Horrors Necromancer Games 4.83 12
7. Hammer & Helm Green Ronin Publishing 4.80 5
8. Plot and Poison Green Ronin Publishing 4.80 5
9. Manual of the Planes Wizards of the Coast 4.79 14
10. The Book of Taverns Necromancer Games 4.75 8
11. Call of Cthulhu d20 Wizards of the Coast 4.75 8
12. The Tomb of Abysthor Necromancer Games 4.71 7
13. The Monsternomicon Vol. I Privateer Press 4.71 7
14. Starfarers Handbook Fantasy Flight Games 4.70 10
15. Book of the Righteous, The Green Ronin Publishing 4.70 10
16. Scarred Lands: Ghelspad Sword & Sorcery Studios 4.67 9
17. The Lords of the Night: Liches Bottled Imp Games 4.67 9
18. Unearthed Arcana Wizards of the Coast 4.67 6
19. Judge Dredd RPG Mongoose Publishing 4.67 6
20. Freedom City Green Ronin Publishing 4.60 5
21. World of Whitethorn 1B: The Village of Oester 4.60 5

Any explanation?

 

[Samothdm]

PDFs:

Normal Scoring:

2. The Book of Eldritch Might Malhavoc Press 4.67
7. BoEM II: Songs and Souls of Power Malhavoc Press 4.50

Bayesian estimate a la imdb:

1 The Book of Eldritch Might Malhavoc Press 4.40
4 BoEM II: Songs and Souls of Power Malhavoc Press 4.26
8 Interludes - Brief Expeditions to Bluffside Mystic Eye Games 4.12 Actually, I own the print edition of this so I guess it doesn't count

Once again, although I feel like I own a ton of PDFs, I only have a small handful out of the top few.

Continuing on to Numbers 11-20, the ones in BOLD are the ones I own:

11. The Banewarrens Malhavoc Press 4.33 6
12. Interludes - Brief Expeditions to Bluffside Mystic Eye Games 4.27 11
13. Death: Guardian of the Gate E.N. Publishing 4.25 8
14. Librum Equitis Vol. II E.N. Publishing 4.20 5
15. Vigilance Vigilance Press 4.20 5
16. Malls & Morons Malls & Morons 4.20 5
17. Requiem for a God Malhavoc Press 4.17 6
18. Thievery 101: Joining the Watchers Wyverns Claw Design 4.00 6
19. Races of Evernor, Part I Silverthorne Games 4.00 6
20. The Bonds of Magic, Vol. I, Cabal Malhavoc Press 4.00 5

Huh.... I guess I just have weird tastes or something. I own three Malladin's Gate products, a few from Chainmail Bikini, one from Mongoose (two if you count the one I wrote...), stuff from Expeditious Retreat Press and Throwing Dice Games... none of those appear on the Top 20 list. Weird. I suspect it has more to due with the very few reviews that PDFs get versus what people really think of them.

 

[JoeGKushner]

For me, the top twenty PDF files are pretty meaninless.

Any PDF that has a print version out that is virtually identical, should be culled.

Any book put out by EN World Publishing, should be culled.

I think that would make the rankings a little more useful.

 

[Psion]

(...)
20. Freedom City Green Ronin Publishing 4.60 5
21. World of Whitethorn 1B: The Village of Oester 4.60 5

Any explanation?

I know WHY it "changed" but it didn't really change. The scores are still the same, there are 3 entries tied for 20th.

I saw Freedom city bubble up for some reason after I deleted a two-sentence review of a different product on the second page.

 

[Psion]

Huh.... I guess I just have weird tastes or something. I own three Malladin's Gate products, a few from Chainmail Bikini, one from Mongoose (two if you count the one I wrote...), stuff from Expeditious Retreat Press and Throwing Dice Games... none of those appear on the Top 20 list. Weird. I suspect it has more to due with the very few reviews that PDFs get versus what people really think of them.

Probably because they fall below the 5 review threshold. Solution: write some reviews!

 

[Crothian]

For me, the top twenty PDF files are pretty meaninless.

Any PDF that has a print version out that is virtually identical, should be culled.

Any book put out by EN World Publishing, should be culled.

I think that would make the rankings a little more useful.

Actually what really makes the pdf rankings useless is that so few people do reviews on them. Only what 36 products have 5 or more reviews? We need more reviews of the products as well as the culling of the ones that also exist in print.....

I don't think EN Publishing should get culled though.

 

[Samothdm]

Actually what really makes the pdf rankings useless is that so few people do reviews on them. Only what 36 products have 5 or more reviews? We need more reviews of the products as well as the culling of the ones that also exist in print.....

I don't think EN Publishing should get culled though.

Yeah, I don't think so, either. As long as the reviews are fair and impartial, I think it's fine. So far, I've never felt like the reviews were done solely to get the products into the Top 20.

As far as writing reviews, I'm not sure what the proper protocol is now that I have a book published. I was going to write a review of Mongoose's Quintessential Kobold before my book was published, but now I think it would be inappropriate (not that the review was negative - quite the contrary, which is why I think it would look weird).