D&D 4E Paizo and 4e - Vive le Revolution!

[GVDammerung]

So please quit repeating the silly idea that Hasbro even cares, let alone that they wouldnt have approved open gaming. It is just internet BS.

Clark

Having no personal experience, I necessarily rely upon what I read when it comes from a source to which I give some credence. As you have personal experience, I will stand corrected.

 

[Nellisir]

...stuff...

Heh. Funny. All I'm saying is, Erik Mona and Clark have made their preference -not- to publish 3.75 pretty clear, yet GVD happily swings along, ascribing motivations to Paizo ("maybe Paizo is tired of the rear view") that they've in no way endorsed, and in fact repudiated in all but exact words, and insisting that 3.75 is perfectly worthwhile for Paizo and Necromancer. It's a bit bizarre; I mean, the reason Paizo and Necromancer are admired and the target of his crusade are because of their business acumen and facility in reading and adapting to the market, and he's actually arguing against that. If they're wrong, then they're not the companies he should be talking to, and if they're right, he's wasting his time. It's pointless either way.

 

[Nellisir]

Clark for the Win!

Nellisir: (to 3.75)You're not fooling anyone, you know. Isn't there anything you could do?

3.75: I feel happy. I feel happy.

[Orcus glances up and down the street furtively, then silences 3.75 with his a whack of his club]

Nellisir: Ah, thank you very much.

Orcus: Not at all. See you on Thursday.

Whatever gets the job done.

 

[DaveMage]

Thinking about it - I don't really want Necro and/or Paizo to make 3.75 - I can do that myself - I'd rather they just stayed with 3.5.

But since that's apparently not viable - they're movin' on to 4E. C'est la vie.

 

[Orcus]

Sorry. I wasnt trying to be mean to you GVD. I appreciate your thoughts and your desire to start this thread. That is just a pet peeve of mine. So I probably sounded a little more grouchy in my answer than I needed to. Its not your fault. It is certainly something that is repeated by lots of people as fact, when it isnt, and I wanted to stop it. But you didnt deserve me to make such a resounding post that seemed to criticize you. You were just repeating what you heard. In putting a stop to that, I wasnt trying to bust on you.

Clark

 

[The Little Raven]

Hasbro purchased Wizards a full year before they released 3rd Edition. If they didn't support the OGL, then it and the SRD would have never been published in the first place.

 

[jasin]

IF 1/3rd OF D&D PLAYERS DON'T SWITCH TO 4E THEN:

1) 4e IS TOAST; and
2) THERE IS A VIABLE 3X MARKET AFTER 4e IS RELEASED.

2/3 is toast while 1/3 is a viable market?

 

[The Little Raven]

2/3 is toast while 1/3 is a viable market?

Maybe he gets his math from the same place he got his "Hasbro hates the OGL" information?

 

[tenkar]

GDV has a legitimate desire for a viable alternative to 4.0

It is that desire that colors his perception of the marketplace. That is human nature... perception is often corrupted by desire.

Very few of us on this board are in the trenches of the RPG market and attempting to make a living off it. I know I am not one of them. I will work on the assumption that those in the business know the business better then the rest of us.

In any case, we will see how the cards fall when 4.0 is released.

 

[Rechan]

GDV has a legitimate desire for a viable alternative to 4.0

The problem is that there isn't one.

Let me use an analogy.

Let's say I love Ford Trucks. I have always drove a Ford truck. I love what Ford trucks stand for. But, I don't like what Ford is doing with their company, and with their new Ford trucks.

Do I:

1) Stick with older model Ford trucks,
2) Take my money to a different car company,
3) Swallow my principles and buy the new Ford truck, or
4) Try to convince other car companies that they can make a Ford Truck to out-Ford Ford Trucks.

All of these are viable options except 4. If you don't like the direction D&D is going, nothing stops you from using your current system, or find a system that better suits your needs. That's what consumers do. And if 3.5 satisfies you, then why push for a market split?