Pathfinder 1E Paizo Annoucement!

[Lonely Tylenol]

I do think this does point out the rather fine line that Paizo is likely to have to tread. If they deviate too much from 3.5e, they'll be making their own, distinct version of D&D that may alienate those fans who *want* 3.5e material, not 3.75e material. But if it's just mild house rules for 3.5e, then customers may question the value of the new edition. My guess is that they will go the latter route and simply use their edition of 3.5e to keep the rules in print.

Keep in mind, this is not just a set of rules. It's also the basis for a campaign setting. I'm thinking of this as being something like Eberron, but instead of a set of new races, classes, and game systems (e.g action points) it's a set of revised races, classes, and systems. Also, it's free, unlike the last "revised edition" of the 3rd edition rules. If anything, I can see it breathing some life into the 3.5 rules that will help people keep playing long enough for Paizo to stay solvent until they can make a real decision between 3rd ed. and 4th ed., which can only happen once the 4th ed. rules have been out long enough that they understand how the 4th ed. market is going to work.

 

[variant]

To me the worst things about 4e is the content, Warlord and Tiefling being in the PHB. The grid combat is also something I am not particularly fond of. I hate using grid combat and the more abilities that rely on it, the harder it is to ignore it. Frankly, it kind of just makes me mad about the direction they are going.

 

[Ingolf]

Is there any point in suggesting that more recent versions of D&D aren't roleplaying games (amusing, since OD&D openly claimed to be a miniatures wargame), besides trying ruffle feathers?

It has the handy side-effect of letting people know they can safely skip the wall of text that's sure to follow without fear they might miss anything worth reading.

 

[Orcus]

People keep saying this. Its one of those "its like they're talking in Martian" moments for me whenever I read it. What SHOULD the rules be doing to facilitate or set up roleplaying? Is there something that previous editions did that facilitated or set up roleplaying, which 4e does not do?

The absolute best I can come up with is mandatory alignment, versus the possibility of selecting "unaligned" in 4e.

I am with you. When I read that stuff I say "huh? who are these people and how do they play D&D?"

The rules have NOTHING to do with roleplaying for me. My groups have always roleplayed hard in every edition I have played and 4E will be no different and that fact that players have daily powers has zero effect on that.

Maybe I have been doing something wrong for the last 31 years.

Clark

 

[Orcus]

Yes, this is speculation, since no one has seen the final license -- including, apparently, WOTC.

Well said

 

[Charwoman Gene]

IA prediction of my own. 4E will fail and Paizo will buy the brand off of Hasbro.

That would be like McDonald's completely revamping their menu, having a few bad Quarters, and the local mom & pop burger joint buying them out.

 

[Spatula]

2. Hasbro purchased WotC in 1999, a full year before 3rd Edition was released.

Damn you Wiki!!!! You lied to meeeeeeeeee!

 

[DM_Jeff]

I am with you. When I read that stuff I say "huh? who are these people and how do they play D&D?" The rules have NOTHING to do with roleplaying for me. Maybe I have been doing something wrong for the last 31 years.

No, Clark, it isn't you. I always blame the setting. Rules for roleplaying? Hardly. Bad setting vs. Good setting? All the difference to my crew.

That would be like McDonald's completely revamping their menu, having a few bad Quarters, and the local mom & pop burger joint buying them out.

That seems a mighty wide gap for what we're discussing here.

I stand and applaud Paizo for their brave initiative with Pathfinder and fully support them and their decision.

-DM Jeff

 

[catsclaw]

That would be like McDonald's completely revamping their menu, having a few bad Quarters, and the local mom & pop burger joint buying them out.

It's more like Chipotle changing their menu, having a couple bad quarters, and McDonalds selling them off to Qdoba*. Which is somewhat more plausible.

* I know, McDonalds sold off their investment in Chipotle in 2006. It's the metaphor that's important.

 

[AllisterH]

It's more like Chipotle changing their menu, having a couple bad quarters, and McDonalds selling them off to Qdoba. Which is somewhat more plausible.

*LOL*

You guys don't realize how miniscule the D&D RPG is to WOTC's bottom line really is do you?
M:TG and the novel departments easily swamp the revenue from the RPG division.