Pathfinder 1E Paizo no longer publishing Dungeon and Dragon

[Agamon]

I agree with this, as I noted above. I also tend to think - kind of perversely perhaps, that the adventure path's success may have had a small contribution as well.

My point: Dungeon has been around a long time folks. It's not like TSR didn't have to compete with it when it was in the business of selling adventures too.

But did Dungeon *really* compete with standalone adventures, back in the day? In the sense that you bought Dungeon and didn't buy anything else?

I don't think so. One offs here and there being used in the magazine in home brews are a threat to nobody's sales - and never were.

But Adventure paths people are playing? And for a long protracted period of time? To the exclusion of all else for a year or two?

That hurts sales on other products that are not being purchased as a consequence. It's probably not a huge deal - but it might be measurable. It's a good enough reason to say "no" to AP hardcovers, I expect.

Oh well. I'm in for Pathfinder.

Yup. Paizo made published adventures cool again. So Wizards says, "Hey, thanks for that. Now don't let the door hit your ass on the way out."

 

[Krug]

Really sorry to hear about this. I used to be a regular buyer of both but haven't been playing much, so stopped for about two years. All the best to Paizo and their future products.

 

[Nightfall]

As opposed to Dragon and Dungeon, you know, important things being cancelled? :\

It happened, let's not dwell on it more than necessary.

Yeah well you don't see that being in the news 24/7 and people trying to buy the rights to that kind of pain do you? The point is I made a bad joke and you feel like I was doing something "taboo". It's the same deal with 9/11. People waxing about it in the hopes that it will create their own sense of "purpose." I might not have lost mine with Dungeon and Dragon being gone, but I do feel like life is tad less interesting now.

Aggy,

Yeah that was my first though, Demononicon and Core Beliefs, along side Volo's Guide. And you and Steel are right, WotC felt "threatened" by this and decided to pull the plug.

Steel,

It is but it's also a matter of the fact said woman was an online relationship thing NOT a real thing like you and your wife.

 

[Agamon]

I have to admit one thing, though. At least Wizards let Paizo take their mag brands and keep them going. Paizo was the Dragon/Dungeon company at first, but their success with that let them branch out and expand to the point where they should be fairly successful without them. Thus we get our Pathfinder and Gamemastery stuff.

But then, that praise is for a WotC of long ago. The current WotC can rot in hell.

 

[Nightfall]

Ag,

Yeah it was something I liked about the OLD management. The fact they let others try their hand. The new WotC only cares about breaking down competition so they can "corner" a market that can't afford them.

 

[Erithtotl]

Like many others I am really hurt by this decision. I looked forward to Dungeon every month, and read it slowly so that I wouldn't have too many days where it wasn't an option of something to read. The latest Savage Tide Path made for great reading, whether you used the adventures directly or not. In my campaign I recently used most of 'Three Faces of Evil' even though I'm not running Age of Worms at all.

To me the biggest thing I'm going to miss is all the options and variety of Dungeon. While Pathfinder sounds cool, it also sounds quite a bit more narrowly focused.

Here's the thing I don't understand. If Wizards is going to make their online presence compelling enough, I don't see how it couldn't exist with Dungeon. I would happily have bought both if their online site would offer all the tools and online, searchable rules that I've wanted for so long. The only thing I can think of is that it's NOT going to be all that, so they needed to kill the magazines to avoid competition?

 

[Repentant Lurker]

Well it's a kick in the nads alright!

After looking at the mystic eight ball, I'm thinking that the odds are 3 to 1 that we will see Wotc put up a half baked "e-zine" that will struggle along for a while and then when corporate pride is no longer on the line, be quietly taken out to pasture. Then a while down the line it will be "re-discovered", relaunched and redeveloped for millions of dollars as "all new" magazines. Whoa hey I should not be so cynical, these guys are professionals right?

 

[Shawn_Kehoe]

Exactly! They obviously don't give two $#!t$ about how this will impact the specialty gaming stores. Many a month I've walked in to my local FLGS solely to pick up the latest issue of Dragon or Dungeon, even when I wasn't actively gaming, just to show my support. The fools don't seem to understand that as gaming stores prosper, they prosper.

God, I hate suits.

Of all the RPG companies, Wizards actually relies the least on hobby stores. Since 3rd Edition, the major book chains have stocked the books quite extensively here in Canada. Heck, the book store market was a major motivator behind the end of box sets.

Shawn

 

[Nightfall]

Repentant Lurker,

Hey you're being more cyncial than Joe is. I think that's fine!


Erith,

Who knows? I think it's what Steel Wind was saying, that they (WotC) fears the competition Dungeon provides for adventures since their current lot aren't selling well.


Shawn,

That may be so, but even Gamers need places to congregate. And they do so...where? Yep in local gaming stores.

 

[Sigdel]

I hope the special Ennie Award will go to Dragon And Dungeon magazines.

I hope the WotC will get a special Ennie Award for slaying Dragon and caving in Dungeon.