Paladin, Core or Prc, the final word!

[Goobermunch]

I voted to make it a PrC. I mean the blackguard is to evil what the Paladin is to good. I don't think the blackguard is all that and a bag a chips, but I never truly understood why the evil version is a PrC, but the good isn't.

Well, I suspect that's because the Blackguard is the archetypical corrupted paladin. He's not the evil version, he's the good guy gone bad, the traitor to his cause, the fallen hero. In all, he's a scary kind of guy (I was just about to say judge of talent).

--G

 

[ThoughtBubble]

Definately a vote for "don't know. No opinion."
I can deal with it fine either way. It just makes the 'unlikely peasant chosen by a higher power' thing a cleric now.

Really, it just changes the flavor text about being born a paladin vs becoming a paladin.

 

[Lela]

Sigh....not again.

Don't worry. This time it's the Final Word. . .again.


As I've said before, Core Class. This comes from someone who's made a Paladin PrC, used it, and compared the two situations.

On the "Blackguard is a PrC so a Paladin should be too" issue, I remember something I read on the boards a long time ago about this very subject (yes, surprisingly, it has come up before). Good will accept you without proof, before you've made a name for yourself. Good will take you in until you've prooven yourself evil.

Evil, on the other hand, will force you to proove yourself. A name and reputation must preceed you. Evil is not going to simply trust you to make it through adversity. Evil won't have faith that you will hold to your god. You need to proove your power, your destiny, and your devotion before Evil will grant you anything.

The Core class and PrCs are a reflection of that.

 

[Sejs]

*nod ~ Lela*


Paladin: I'm a good guy! I want to help people and help raise up the light!

- Glad to hear it. More the merrier. C'mon in, we'll get you trained up and you'll be Smiting Evil in no time.

Blackguard: I'm a bad guy! I'm evil, wicked, mean, and nasty! I want to command the forces of darkness to do my bidding!

- Oh really? Prove it.

 

[WattsHumphrey]

I'm actually very interested to see that there's far more votes for 'leave it' than for 'change it'.

I'm personally of the train of thought that it should be changed. A holy warrior seems to me to be some combination of fighter and cleric. If someone adopts such a restrictive attitude as that of a pally, it seems to me they need to be, well, sanctioned to say the least. The code of honor prereq smells (IMO) of a PrC.

I'd be all for this as a base class if it was changed to just allow a religious warrior. Restricting the class by alignment and code seems too... not base-classish. It seems far more restricted than most of the base classes (even Ranger and Druid) are. If the class was basically a warrior that got holy (or unholy) abilities based on deity and alignment, that may be more to my liking.

 

[WattsHumphrey]

Good will accept you without proof, before you've made a name for yourself. Good will take you in until you've prooven yourself evil.

Evil, on the other hand, will force you to proove yourself. A name and reputation must preceed you. Evil is not going to simply trust you to make it through adversity. Evil won't have faith that you will hold to your god. You need to proove your power, your destiny, and your devotion before Evil will grant you anything.

The Core class and PrCs are a reflection of that.

Interesting. I tend to take the exact opposite stance.

Good will accept anyone who genuinely wants to do what is right. Evil will take everyone, and corrupt anyone who it can get. It will simply throw you away if you prove not useful.

 

[Agback]

G'day

Why no 'none of the above'?

I think that the paladin should be taken out as a class, but reinstated as a feat chain with appropriate code restrictions. I haven't made a secret of that, either. But no, you won't allow that opinion in your poll.

Regards,


Agback

 

[Arravis]

I see absolutely no reason why it should be a core class. Any class can be a "holy" anything, that's simply a matter of faith. If you want divine spells... pick up Cleric levels.

Of course, I think that Ranger, Druid, Bard, and Barbarians should be Prestige Classes as well, so I might not be the best guy to ask.

 

[Kevmann10583]

WOW, alot of votes, and it does seem that more people want to leave it as it is.

I voted to change it to prc, but I also voted to replace it with like a divine champion for those who want to play a holy "warrior" type class with +1/1 BAB as some of the paladins powers.

Acctually, a long time ago I created a class that I thougt would work great, and here it is just so everyone can see exactly what I am talking about...

Oh wait, the wizards boards are down right now, I will have to post the hyperlink later.

 

[The_Gneech]

*nod ~ Lela*


Paladin: I'm a good guy! I want to help people and help raise up the light!

- Glad to hear it. More the merrier. C'mon in, we'll get you trained up and you'll be Smiting Evil in no time.

Blackguard: I'm a bad guy! I'm evil, wicked, mean, and nasty! I want to command the forces of darkness to do my bidding!

- Oh really? Prove it.

"If you're so evil -- EAT THIS KITTEN!"

-The Tick Animated Series