Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder Just Keeps Looking Better

[qstor]

"Just as a casual observation, anyone who considers the presence of Vancian magic a dealbreaker is probably lost to us, and I'm ok with that.
Personally, I view the pulp fantasy roots of the game as a feature and not a flaw, and I'm glad that there is an edition of the game for people who don't, because that is not a version of the game I am very interested in publishing."

Erik Mona, Publisher,
Paizo Publishing"

I agree with that quote. I've been playing 4e a little but it doesn't *grab* me. It doesn't feel like D&D to me and the reason is the lack of the Vancian system and the addition of "powers". Feats are a good addition but powers doesn't seem like D&D. I've been playing the Pathfinder Society mods and having more fun with it than 4e. I'm looking forward to GenCon for the release of the Pathfinder rulebook.

Mike

 

[mach1.9pants]

I really enjoy the tactical aspect of 4E, we are not big roleplayers and are all wargamers as well so we like it.

We also really like the lack of pre-fight buffing that 3E et al encourages.

I love the Char Builder though, and unless Paizo put out something as good as the CB I can't see us going that way. We all loathe making characters sheets and stuff up the math regular!

So no I can't see me going PF, maybe I'll give GURPS a try it has a CB but I know nothing about it.

 

[Remathilis]

...am I right?

Weeeelllll... its kinda like how the girl that sits next to you in homeroom starts looking good after a breakup with your girlfriend over a stupid and petty argument...

 

[I'm A Banana]

Weeeelllll... its kinda like how the girl that sits next to you in homeroom starts looking good after a breakup with your girlfriend over a stupid and petty argument...

At that point, you need to ask yourself: "What act of this romantic comedy am I in?"

If you're in the first act, chances are that your girlfriend is really wrong for you and that this girl who has sat next to you in homeroom has done it every day, waiting for you to notice her, hoping that you'll see that your girlfriend is wrong for you, and she's right. She'll probably embarass herself in front of you, but you are destined to be together.

If you're in the second act, chance are that girl is a man-stealer who will do all she can to ruin your relationship, and you will give into her, or at least appear to and be caught in a compromising situation, pretty soon. You should probably start thinking of inspiring songs of love you want to sing when you crash your girlfriend's uncle's funeral to tell her that she's the only one for you.

We can tell which act this is by looking at the girls. Is your girlfriend cold, aloof, businesslike, and concerned with appearances? Is the girl next to you perhaps not as statuesque, but more familiar, a little "girl-next-door," easily exemplary of the target demographic, maybe a little funny and keeping a journal? If this is the case, then you need to let Pathfinder win you over with her quirky charm and her deep personality. WotC will put up a fight because she was the prom queen and NO ONE SAYS NO TO THE PROM QUEEN, but she won't be able to stand between you and true love.

Did you recently meet your girlfriend with a hilarious course of events perhaps involving temporary amnesia, a chase scene with a poodle, or witty pop-culture refrences? Is the woman next to you a smoldering temptress in dark, revealing dresses who sits on your lap at every opportunity? If this is the case, you need to make a horrible mistake with Pathfinder before coming back to WotC, who will, of course, forgive you, but only after you debase yourself in an increasingly absurd series of events. You shouldn't be worried about her stern, uptight father (Hasbro), either, because he will warm to your ways once he sees your love for WotC is genuine.

Also, if your girlfriend has gone through a major life change in the last few years (such as a new job, a death in the family, or a new edition), it is possible you're in a drama instead of a romcom, and you should be prepared to cry, hold each other, and be sad, but ultimately not be able to relate to her in her new form, eventually learning that change is inevitable and that just because two people love each other doesn't mean that they can be in a relationship together.

To determine this, can I ask what song plays when you're doing your montage?

 

[Remathilis]

To determine this, can I ask what song plays when you're doing your montage?

Isn't the default Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes"?

 

[Gothmog]

...am I right?

For me and my group- nope. Pathfinder is 180 degrees opposite from what we were wanting.

Back when the Beta came out, we tried two campaigns, one from levels 1-3, and one from levels 6-10. I didn't run either game, but I played in both. What my group saw firmly set us against using Pathfinder for our fantasy gaming. We found all the issues of 3.5 were still present, just magnified in intensity. Casters still dominated over all other characters, the mathematical progression and scaling of the system was still broken, items were still the core of a character, PCs were orders of magnitide more powerful than a standard equal level monster, prepping a session was still a chore, and the focus of the system is on system mastery and tweaking out a character. All of these things were reasons we left 3.5, and Pathfinder cranked them all up to the X-treme of 58 on the dial (at least in our experience). In addition, the art for Pathfinder really rubs me the wrong way (its a weird combination of anime, comic book, and WOW-like art that completely pulls me out of the game and makes me cringe at its awfulness).

I do tend to like many of the Paizo individual adventures (I have over 20 of them), and have converted several for use with 4e and True 20. The adventure paths are a little too busy and epic for my tastes, but for what they are, they are well done. I do wish they would support 4e with some adventures, but I know thats very unlikely due to the rather extreme position of their fans towards 4e.

So unless Pathfinder undergoes some HUGE revisions and changes from the Beta, my group isn't even slightly interested in it. Then again, my group wasn't the target of Pathfinder, since we weren't 3.5 fans either. After comparing and test-driving several systems, we found 4e and WHFRP2 scratch our fantasy gaming itches much better (both games allow us to have a more immersive and narrative type game with less focus on rules minutiae). But hey, thats cool- the fans of 3.5 have Pathfinder, and the fans of 4e still have D&D. Everybody wins!

 

[I'm A Banana]

Isn't the default Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes"?

Okay, there's some good news and some bad news.

The good news is you're John Cusack. Look at yourself:

You're a good looking dude.

The bad news is that John Cusack plays F.A.T.A.L.

Roll for wang size, Cusack!

 

[Remathilis]

Okay, there's some good news and some bad news.

The good news is you're John Cusack. Look at yourself:

You're a good looking dude.

The bad news is that John Cusack plays F.A.T.A.L.

Roll for wang size, Cusack!

Ah man! Brings a new meaning to "Save vs. Rod/Staff/Wand"...

 

[der_kluge]

Heck, I'm *already* running Pathfinder.

 

[DM_Jeff]

Heck, I'm *already* running Pathfinder.

Pathfinder seeming good......better......best?

Damn Straight.

-DM Jeff