penalty for cheating

[Coik]

(And please ignore my playful jab at Coik earlier. I know his dice are not crooked.)

Dern right. One of my friends got a cheater's die once, but I've never used 'em meself. (Though I suppose I could be considered an accessory, since I was with him when he bought it. )

Originally posted by Particle_Man
I have never done any of these things. I have not met anyone who claims to have done these things. I would not want to game with anyone who does any of these things. I can handle rules lawyers. I can handle power-gamers. I can handle theatrical ham actors. I can handle punsters (because I am one, mainly). I can even handle people that are truly clueless, and are destined to remain so for their entire misbegotten lives. But cheating is wrong.

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Riiiiigggghhhhhhtttttt....

Call me a Doubting Thomas if you must, but to say you've *never* cheated, not even a little bit? That's quite a claim...

Originally posted by Tom Cashel
Hey, Coik...you think the Goddess would appreciate you messing with her perfect chaos by using Aneristic Dice? You got the stones to call yourself Discordian when you can't even roll a random numeral generator and just say "HAIL ERIS, HAIL HAIL, HAIL YES!" no matter the result, crit or fumble?

You, my friend, have been EATING HOT DOG BUNS. And you are destined to be reincarnated as a MAO BUTTON in the REGION of THUD.

Coik...you're a GREYFACE, not a Discordian. Pbbblllsstttt!!!!

I disagree with your assesment of cheater's dice. I believe Goddess would approve of them. You really aren't futzing with chaos by using them...after all, the probablity of any particular face coming up remains the same as with regular dice. The fact that two of those faces happen to be the same number isn't relevant.

Now, if we're talking *weighted* dice...

Besides, cheater's dice actually increase the amount of chaos in a roleplaying system. And discord, too. Look at all the people in this thread grandstanding about how they'd throw people out of their groups for even thinking about using cheater's dice, once, twenty years ago, in a dream.

Yes, I believe she would approve.

Unless she didn't.

 

[ejja_1]

player cheating

When I was a player and not a dm all the time, we had a member of our group that the players caught cheating. We told the gm in private, and his solution was to make all our roles for us from then on. It wasnt as fun at first, but then the dm got very descriptive when he told us if we hit or missed or whether or not we had succeeded, it got pretty interesting after awhile.
Im not sure banning would have been any good, as the player who was caught did add to the game with his roleplaying skills.

 

[AuraSeer]

I disagree with your assesment of cheater's dice. [...] You really aren't futzing with chaos by using them...after all, the probablity of any particular face coming up remains the same as with regular dice. The fact that two of those faces happen to be the same number isn't relevant.

Of course it's relevant. A die is a device for generating random numbers. You don't care what face shows up; only the numerical result matters. A 20 is always a 20, and always has the same game effect.

When you replace a low number with a high number, you are forcing the die to come up in your favor more often. You have removed some of the randomness and chaos from the game. (If you used a die with a 20 on every side, would you still contend that your game is random?)

I'm not commenting on how the dice interact with your spirituality-- that's your own affair. I'm just pointing out that the quoted argument is not valid.

 

[PowerWordDumb]

My first thought was ritual Disembowelment

Agreed. death is the only suitable punishment.

If local laws get in the way, you can settle for kicking him out of the game, killing his character, and kicking his dog.

If you're an animal lover (I personally don't advocate kicking anyone's dog...), then kick him instead.

After he's suitably impressed everyone in the group by prostrating himself and sincerely begging for forgiveness, and done some sort of humiliating real-life punishment quest, then consider letting him back in with a warning, and with a team set of dice that he doesn't get to take home to modify.

Once a cheater, always a cheater. Especially if he doesn't have the good grace to be sincere in his apology. Is this a draconian attitude? Maybe, but it works for me.

 

[Ashe]

As the DM this is what I would do. I would trade him d20's. And then play this way for a couple weeks/months. Now the rest of your players will not like you for it, but it is not your fault it is this one players fault. Besides, the other players have a much better view of other players die rolls than you do.

Now I know this will be argued that this is punishing everyone for the wrongdoings of one. But your adventuring party/gaming groups is a team and things that benefit the group(that crucial critical hit that downed the final creature before it tore through 3 members of the party), should also not benefit the group.

That is just my opinion. But I think that kicking him out, killing his character, losing levels, or taking away items is too extreme, if my above idea is also condiered too extreme, I would warn him and if caught again then I'd boot him.

 

[Tom Cashel]

I disagree with your assesment of cheater's dice. I believe Goddess would approve of them.

[...]

Yes, I believe she would approve.

Unless she didn't.

Very good.

We Discordians must stick apart.

It's the only way to have so much ilk.

 

[bwgwl]

It's the only way to have so much ilk.

i keep my ilk on my keychain, right next to my scruple.

wouldn't a real Discordian d20 have two fives?

(though i'd prefer one with five seventeens. or one that tops out at 23. "natural 23! critical hit! smoke the pain pipe, ogre boy!")

ahem.

 

[dsfriii]

Geez...

Man some of you guys have to step back a take a deep breath. Heck as a DM I have cheated, when the die rolls something that will make the story not as fun. And heck I have fudged the roll as a player also if it helps the story.

I guess you can get the stake and get ready to burn me..

 

[bwgwl]

Re: Geez...

Heck as a DM I have cheated...

DMs can't cheat. it's called "fudging" and it's perfectly legal in all 50 states and many countries overseas.

as far as a player "cheating" to "maintain the story", i'd rather the players leave that decision to the GM.

i've had situations like this in my campaigns:

GM: OK, make a Climb check to get up to the top of the cliff.
Player: i rolled a 3. i guess that means i plummet to my death and can't save the world, right?
GM: ah.... nah, you make it to the top where the big bad evil guy is. what are you doing now?

i'd rather the player be honest and tell me he rolled the 3 than lie and say, "Natural 20! i am Spider-Man!"

 

[JacktheRabbit]

UPDATE:

After an e-mail exchange with the person in question, he explained that his actions were "a cry for help." It's all very complicated, and I don't want to get into it here. But I've checked with the rest of the gang; we've all agreed that we can meet with the player tonight to pray over the issue to seek guidance so we can come to a sense of forgiveness.

I think our group will be stronger for it in the long run.

Thanks for your feedback here.

(And please ignore my playful jab at Coik earlier. I know his dice are not crooked.)

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