@ people complaining about fluff

[Noicus]

(rant) It is really starting to bother me that people are throwing fits about "IMPOSED WORLD CHANGES". The only thing stopping you from playing a forgotten realms game which occurs before the spellplauge using 4e rules is you. Gary Gygax will not rise from the dead and smite you with vorpal dice. If you don't like the new races, don't allow them, when you run a game the books are a guide not a straight jacket. No one can force you to play any variation of any game, play what you want. 4e is about KISS rules and systems, so if you like the rules but not the fluff, throw the fluff out. How many pages are there of fluff for the realms? from all the editions, what's preventing you from using fluff? If you've been playing in the realms for a long time your realm isn't the cannon realm anymore, your players have changed the world, WOTC can't make you change it. (/rant)

 

[D'karr]

(rant) It is really starting to bother me that people are throwing fits about "IMPOSED WORLD CHANGES". The only thing stopping you from playing a forgotten realms game which occurs before the spellplauge using 4e rules is you. Gary Gygax will not rise from the dead and smite you with vorpal dice. If you don't like the new races, don't allow them, when you run a game the books are a guide not a straight jacket. No one can force you to play any variation of any game, play what you want. 4e is about KISS rules and systems, so if you like the rules but not the fluff, throw the fluff out. How many pages are there of fluff for the realms? from all the editions, what's preventing you from using fluff? If you've been playing in the realms for a long time your realm isn't the cannon realm anymore, your players have changed the world, WOTC can't make you change it. (/rant)

You really shouldn't waste your time. Some people don't want solutions, they just want to complain. What would the internet be without complainers?

 

[hong]

To be fair, one big reason for playing in a published setting is to buy into the established canon. Anyone can make up their own world, but the task of pretending that it's real is helped greatly if you can point to an actual book and say "it's all in there".

 

[Staffan]

You really shouldn't waste your time. Some people don't want solutions, they just want to complain. What would the internet be without complainers?

Better?

 

[Noicus]

To be fair, one big reason for playing in a published setting is to buy into the established canon. Anyone can make up their own world, but the task of pretending that it's real is helped greatly if you can point to an actual book and say "it's all in there".

But the old FR books didn't pull at Get Smart an explode in the lap of the chief, the still exsist, you still own them, and you can still use them.

 

[PeelSeel2]

I agree. I find you post ironic, however. A fit about people throwing fits

 

[DandD]

Of course, all the background lore published so far don't spontaneously combust, so they're still usable, if you rather like that time-period. It of course now depends on the rule-set of D&D 4th edition if the promise that it's so easy to use. Of course, if tons of GMs can create their very own campaign settings and play with the 4th edition rules, then experienced gamemaster who played D&D 3.X with loads of sourcebooks should easily be able to do that too. Then, it's not the problem of lacking phantasy, but of willingness to adapt to a (possibly) easier rules-set.

 

[Kzach]

I've determined that there are approximately 1% of the roughly 10% of posters who hate 4e actually, genuinely dislike 4e for valid, rational, reasonable and well thought out reasons.

The other 9% are just whiny, creativity lacking, argumentative, unimaginative, attention seekers.

 

[Dausuul]

Why would anybody buy a campaign setting book if not for the "fluff?" That being the case, complaints about what people consider bad fluff are perfectly legitimate. Saying "you can just change bad fluff" is like saying "you can house-rule bad rules." Sure, I can, but then what am I paying WotC for?

And now is definitely the time to voice complaints, while WotC can still make changes.

(My own position on the Forgotten Realms/Spellplague issue is pretty much neutral; I've never been a Realms fan. I do think it's fairly lame to throw out these giant world-changing catastrophes as an excuse for the edition changes. On the other hand, if the Spellplague fixes the Elminster Problem, the new Realms may be a considerable improvement.)

 

[ImperialParadox]

I've determined that there are approximately 1% of the roughly 10% of posters who hate 4e actually, genuinely dislike 4e for valid, rational, reasonable and well thought out reasons.

The other 9% are just whiny, creativity lacking, argumentative, unimaginative, attention seekers.

And I've determined that 100% of posters who belittle fellow forum goers like this are 95% likely to be arrogant, bullying attention seekers.

And for the record I'm a likely 4th ed convert with mild concerns.