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PGtF - What happened to Cosmopolitan?

Malin Genie

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It looks like the new version is (yet another) bonus-to-skills Feat, instead of making a non-class skill into a class skill.

Is there any WotC 3.5E Feat that allows non-class --> class skill conversion? I had a 3E character I really liked, who was a Cleric with Cosmopolitan and maxed-out Intimidate/Sense motive - but I can't seem to see the corresponding Feats in 3.5 to allow a proper conversion...?
 

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The only remotely similar thing that I can offer you (at least official D&D) is the Kalamars Players Guide Feat Skill Prodigy...
 

The PGtF team decided the 3.0 version of that feat broke too many prestige classes -- that's why it was revised. But the particular skills you mention aren't exactly the strongest skills in the PH, so you seem to be an unfortunate victim of others' powergaming excesses.

Why not create an inquisition-type domain whose granted power converts intimidation and sense motive into cleric class skills? You could use the one in Complete Divine as a template and just change the granted power.
 

jsaving said:
The PGtF team decided the 3.0 version of that feat broke too many prestige classes

I'd be interested to know how non-class --> class breaks prestige classes? Is it because it allows entry too easily for classes who aren't 'supposed' to be able to enter 'early'?

Why not create an inquisition-type domain whose granted power converts intimidation and sense motive into cleric class skills? You could use the one in Complete Divine as a template and just change the granted power.

Thanks for the suggestions! Ideally I would like to stick with WotC (specifically Faerun setting) material - I guess I'll either have to rethink character or suck up cross-class skills and use Skill Focus to help with the difference (the major problem being Intimidate in particular needs to be kept maxed out to work well against creatures of comparable level.)
 

Yes, that is exactly the reason. WotC designers balance their PrCs with class requirements in mind, but it's considered unseemly to say that so they couch the class requirements as "X levels of sense motive" or "Y levels of intimidate" or even "proficiency with all martial weapons". If your character can get ranks in a particular skill faster than he "should" be able to, then you may be able to enter a PrC earlier than WotC planned, which is potentially unbalancing with some PrCs.

PGtF has a regional feat that grants proficiency with all martial weapons. That poses a problem for classes such as the eldritch knight that require 1 level without casting advancement but couch the requirement as "proficiency with all martial weapons." In that particular case, WotC decided it's OK for a regional feat to do this since regional feats are supposed to be more powerful than normal feats. By the same logic, you could probably create a regional feat that would let 1 or 2 skills become class skills for you.

If you want to stay strictly within the limits of published Wizards material, your only real option is to find a class that has intimidate and sense motive as class skills, level up in it once, then spend the rest of your career paying cross-class prices to bump them up. At least then your maximum ranks will be as high as possible.

(With there being so many official prestige classes now for clerics, perhaps you could even find one that has intimidate and sense motive as class skills and also has full spellcasting progression. If so, you might be able to accomplish your objectives without sacrificing any casting ability.)
 

Alternatively, you could just write a feat that has the functional equivalent of Cosmopolitan without granting more class skills. Something along the lines of:

SKILLED [GENERAL]
Benefit: Choose one cross class skill. When using that skill, add a bonus your roll equal to the number of ranks you have in that skill.
 

Deset Gled said:
SKILLED [GENERAL]
Benefit: Choose one cross class skill. When using that skill, add a bonus your roll equal to the number of ranks you have in that skill.

Problematical.

Example: I choose Use Magic Device, say, and as a 5th level fighter have 4 ranks. 'Skilled' gives me a +4 to my roll.

Then I multiclass to Rogue and put 5 more ranks in. I satisfied the prerequisites for the feat when I took it... do I now have a/ a +9 bonus to UMD, or b/ a feat that has become useless because I multiclassed?

After all, the +2 bonus from Cosmopolitan didn't go away just because you multiclassed...

Worse yet - what if I multiclass to Rogue and don't put any more ranks in? It's not a cross-class skill any more... does my +4 bonus go away? By multiclassing into a class supposedly with more affinity for the skill, has my bonus dropped from +8 to +4?

-Hyp.
 
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jsaving said:
PGtF has a regional feat that grants proficiency with all martial weapons. That poses a problem for classes such as the eldritch knight that require 1 level without casting advancement but couch the requirement as "proficiency with all martial weapons."

Oooh... my DM just picked up PGtF, and our wizard is actually rather fond of her sword... I'll have to point this out to the player!

Which region?

-Hyp.
 



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