PHBII has Half-Orcs and Goliaths

[Merkuri]

I thought this was old news...

It is old news... a spammer resurrected the thread.

 

[Cadfan]

While I generally agree with the thoughts expressed earlier in the thread to the effect that its better to see new classes than to see more of things we've already seen before, I don't think that necessarily means that we shouldn't see some of the same class names we've seen before. I think its possible to revise the Monk, just as an example, until it looks and feels very new.

For example, imagine a simple combo system for the monk. Certain attacks might build ki energy, and certain attacks might discharge it.

That's just a hypothetical example, but a character who used that sort of mechanic, while having a full suite of Ki based special powers, would feel very different from the 3e monk, while also being the same class.

Sort of what happened to the Barbarian, in my opinion.

 

[Plane Sailing]

30 people screaming on the net is not a huge demand. And psionics and the monk have always has as many haters as lovers

I'm not sure why you start with a sentence dismissing what is seen on the intarweb and then follow that with a sentence which is probably entirely based on the intarweb.

It seems much more likely that the vast majority of D&D groups around the world used plenty of monks because it was one of the options in the PHB. End of story. Although there is no way of finding out, I'd bet really money that they are far more lovers (i.e. groups that use the monk) than haters (groups that ban the monk).

 

[Rechan]

It certainly wouldn't surprise me if they did. The Ardent was a really hard class to pin down from 3.5e, so the 4e version won't be very much like the 3e version, though I'm sure they'll get something similar to the Auras of the Divine Mind. Though they probably won't be always on abilities with about 5 to choose from, like 3.5e. Possibly something closer to the Warlord's presence abilities.

Even though out of all the possible auras a divine mind did get, I felt that the communication mantle aura (telepathic communication while in aura) felt the 'most psionic' to me. And for any class that is a psionic leader, they'll probably get that ability automatically, since that isn't too combat effective, but happens to be something that's quite strong for the flavour.

I could see abilities that cause enemies "psychic feedback" whenever they attack allies. Most of the aura abilities of the divine mind are likely to become powers. I see plenty of psychic shields and barrier abilities as immediate interrupts for utility powers.

On the topic of the Psionic Leader, one of the designers let slip a single mention. While talking about how leaders heal, and saying that leaders heal differently, he said "the bard, the psionic empath".

 

[That One Guy]

Someone needs to stat up spam necromancers. Seriously, tell me what they're vulnerable to.

 

[Vanuslux]

I'm not sure why you start with a sentence dismissing what is seen on the intarweb and then follow that with a sentence which is probably entirely based on the intarweb.

Don't you know how forums work? Anyone who shares your opinion is representative of general opinion, anyone who has an opinion you disagree with is representative only of their irrational selves and maybe a handful of other vocal extremists.

 

[drothgery]

Someone needs to stat up spam necromancers. Seriously, tell me what they're vulnerable to.

Chopping off their head works on just about everything.

 

[Fifth Element]

30 people screaming on the net is not a huge demand.

Careful, you're going to make me sig-quote you again.

 

[Fifth Element]

Although there is no way of finding out, I'd bet really money that they are far more lovers (i.e. groups that use the monk) than haters (groups that ban the monk).

Careful, you seemed to have grouped "tolerators" and "indifferenters" in with the lovers.

Just because you allow the monk, doesn't mean you "love" the monk.

 

[Shroomy]

After viewing the barbarian and knowing the races that will appear in it, I'm so looking forward to this book, perhaps moreso than any other WoTC release.