Planet Design Question: Continental Shape & Climate...

The Cardinal

First Post
To those with some geological/metereological knowledge:

Earth-like planet:
Imagine two enormous continental plates, which were joined at one time into one large supercontinent, but have been slowly moving apart in east-west direction for a few milion years, thus creating a titantic north-south channel between them. This channel will vary in width between a few dozen to a few hundred kilometers, and it will stretch from the northern polar region (about 70°-80° north of the equator) to something like 20° south of the equator. [north of the equator there are large mountains running in N-S direction on both sides of the channel - in a distance of 1000-3000 km]
What kind of air and water currents would you expect? Any special metereological phenomena? Anything else?
 

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BiggusGeekus

That's Latin for "cool"
If memory serves the landmasses won't affect the major trade winds much.

The wesetern most coast will be hammered with storms I'd guess.

I'd imagine the channel would be prone to earthquakes/tsunami.

But I only have a smattering of earth science.
 

kenobi65

First Post
As a layman who just knows too much about weather...

BiggusGeekus said:
The wesetern most coast will be hammered with storms I'd guess.

Depends on several other factors, including what latitude we're talking about.

In the northern hemisphere, at the mid-latitudes, the prevailing winds (and, thus, most of the weather) moves from west to east. Thus, areas on the windward (west) side of the mountains will tend to be wet (as the air rises to cross the mountains, it cools, causing clouds and, eventually, precipitation to form), while areas on the leeward (east) side of the mountains tend to be drier (as the air sinks, it's less likely to form clouds / precipitation, and it's already lost much of its moisture on the other side of the mountain).

Near the equator, the prevailing winds blow the other way (i.e., east to west), so you'd get the opposite effect. (BTW, this is why Atlantic hurricanes usually start out moving from the east towards the U.S., a direction which seems counterintuitive to those of us who are accustomed to weather moving eastward.)

BiggusGeekus said:
I'd imagine the channel would be prone to earthquakes/tsunami.

I'm not so sure about that (though, please, if someone knows for sure, tell me otherwise). From what I remember in geology / geography, you tend to get tectonically active areas when two plates are meeting or sliding against each other. What he's described here sounds more like two plates moving *apart*. From what I've read, I don't think that'd lead to earthquakes.

However, if that channel is really narrow in some places, it'd probably lead to some very interesting and powerful ocean currents.
 

der_kluge

Adventurer
You know... just to be a voice of reason here - does it really freaking matter of this is a scientifically valid? Is anyone in your group going to care? What do you want, hurricanes, tornadoes near the area? Great - do it. Who are your players to complain? That sounds legitimate to me. I think you're spending too much time worrying about the trivial stuff. It ultimately will matter very little in the long run. Do what you want, and to hell with what makes scientific sense.
 

GuardianLurker

Adventurer
The Cardinal said:
To those with some geological/metereological knowledge:

Earth-like planet:
Imagine two enormous continental plates, which were joined at one time into one large supercontinent, but have been slowly moving apart in east-west direction for a few milion years, thus creating a titantic north-south channel between them. This channel will vary in width between a few dozen to a few hundred kilometers, and it will stretch from the northern polar region (about 70°-80° north of the equator) to something like 20° south of the equator. [north of the equator there are large mountains running in N-S direction on both sides of the channel - in a distance of 1000-3000 km]
What kind of air and water currents would you expect? Any special metereological phenomena? Anything else?

This assumes your planet isn't rotating retrograde, flip things if it is.

1st - channel is the right description; this isn't much wider than the Mediterrean.
2nd - the interiors of both continents will be VERY dry (like Australia), probably a desert, even without the mountain ranges.
3rd - remember that the prevailing winds shift as latitude changes - where exactly will be determined by your planet's axial tilt.
4th - You will have a stong current in the channel, circling between just below the northern tropic to the polar region. You probably won't have any current in the southern reaches of the channel. The northwest coast will have a southerly current (warm at top, cool at bottom), moderating the climate (like our west coast), like wise the southwest will be moderated too (cooling current). The northeast coast will have a northerly current, that will moderate the climate to a smaller extent. The two currents are likely to be opposite sides of the same system, possibly aiding in "BIG Ocean" crossings.
5th - your channel is home to the beginning of a mid-oceanic ridge. It will be a shallow sea.
6th - a mid-oceanic ridge does mean earthquakes (probably small and frequent), but your coastal inhabitants will probably be more aware of these as larger-than-normal tides that don't correspond to the lunar/solar cycle, rather than actual tsunamis. The latter will still be present, of course, as will a line of volcanoes (probably with one big one) in the middle of the ocean.
7th - a shallow sea in the tropical area means *lots* of hurricanes. This will be a *much* bigger problem for your coastal inhabitants than the rare tsunami.
8th - western continent, channel side will probably have a thin "green" coast, backed by rainshadow desert (extent unknown, there's no real corresponce to Earth for this). Eastern channel side will be very wet. (Flip for the bits in the south.) In both cases, there's probably nothing on the other side of the mountains but desert.

If you have Fractal Earth, you can set something like this up fairly easily, especially if you don't have a map yet.
 

Edena_of_Neith

First Post
There was a time in Earth's history when a rough analogy to your world existed. North America and South America had just broken away from Europe and Africa. India was out in the ocean. Antarctica and Australia were breaking apart from each other and from Asia.
It was a wet, warm world, because both poles were:

1. Free of land masses at and within 10 degrees of the pole:
2. Warm ocean currents had free access to both poles, coming from a single, vast ocean (the now greatly shrunken Pacific.)

The Earth differed from today in some remarkable ways:

1. At high latitudes, such as Siberia, winter nighttime temperatures remained fairly warm, despite the immensely long nights. I'm guessing that, the effect seen in Europe today in the winter (that continent is warmed by a constant moist flow off of the Atlantic) was prevailant in Siberia, Northern Canada, and Alaska.
2. Shallow inland seas covered much of the continents, because the ocean levels were hundreds of feet higher than today (for example, if you raised sea level 200 feet today, you'd convert the Amazon Basin into a shallow inland sea.) These seas produced much of today's sedimentary rock; at that time, very very extensive swampland existed.
3. The oceans were, as mentioned, warm. The temperature at the bottom of the oceans was between 60 and 70 degrees Fahrenheit.

Your world might be like this.

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Do you wish a colder world? It is easy enough to make one: you simply declare it's colder.
There IS a historical case of the Earth freezing over despite both poles being ice free. It occurred 700 million years ago, and they call it Snowball Earth.
At that time, plant life under the waves in the ocean and natural processes removed most of the carbon dioxide in the planet's atmosphere, and this should have caused a cooling effect. However, the fact that both poles were ice-free caused a warming feedback to occur that prevented cooling until nearly all of the atmospheric carbon dioxide disappeared, and overcame the warming feedback.
Then, overwhelming cooling began, and when it was done, the entire planet had frozen over. At the equator, temperatures were slightly cooler than in interior Antarctica today.
Note that the sun was less luminescent back then, and this obviously made a big difference.

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Perhaps your world has a large difference between day and nighttime temperatures, like Darkover? It heads up to 75 degrees during the day, but falls to 15 degrees at night? The air is not good at holding in heat.
Thus, in the summer, it rockets to 100 during the day, but falls to freezing at night? During the winter, it goes up to 40 during the day, but - 40 below at night?
Tibet has a climate somewhat like this, since it is at high attitude (but not so extreme.) Darkover (by Marion Bradley) seemed to have a climate like this, except colder.

Perhaps your world has little difference in day and nighttime temperatures? It goes to 55 during the day, then falls to 50 at night?
In the summer, it heads to 70 during the day, then 60 at night. In the winter, it goes to 55 during the day, and 45 at night?
London, England, has temperatures like these. Maritime climates tends to have little climatic variation between day and night, regardless of relative warmth.

In our real world, the temperature drops 3.3 degrees Fahrenheit per 1,000 feet that you rise in altitude. The drop is 5 degrees per 1,000 feet if the air is dry. On hot summer days, the decline can be steep in the first few thousand feet of the atmosphere. Our freezing line rarely gets about 16,000 feet in the temperate latitudes.
Yet on chilly Darkover, it rose above freezing at 17,000 feet in the summer during the day, regularly. Darkover had a much slower drop in temperature as you rose in altitude. The atmosphere was denser at high altitudes as well, which might or might not explain that.

Perhaps there are sources of magical cold and warmth on your world, that affect large areas?
Consider the consequences if there are (in the Forgotten Realms, Anauroch is an area of magical heat, and the Great Glacier is an area of magical cold, to give examples. The entire southern two-thirds of the Flanaess (Greyhawk) are magically warm ... and the climate abruptly goes from warm temperate (or even subtropical) to subarctic in the northern third of that area.)
If a big hot area exists, perhaps the prevailing westerlies go up and over this area to the north? This brings abnormal rain and storms to areas that should be dry. It brings abnormal heat on the western side, where the westerlies head north, but abnormal cooling on the east side, where the westerlies head south.
If a big cold area exists, perhaps the prevailing westerlies head south and around this area? If so, they bring unnatural cold on the western side and unnatural heat on the eastern side, as they dip south and then head north.

Or perhaps the westerlies do as they please, and run right into these magical areas?
If the area is magically hot, then hurricanes, constant cloudiness, torrential rain, and humidity are the result. Perhaps truly violent storms occur inland as cold air tries to enter the region, and meets with superheated air from the magic.
If the area is magically cold, then perhaps blizzards are common, and glaciers run out of the area into adjacent areas. In the summer, cold rains are common. High winds occur due to unnatural temperature differentials.

Just some food for thought. What is the atmosphere of your world like? What are the prevailing surface ocean temperatures like? What are subsurface ocean temperatures like? Do icecaps already exist at the poles? How quickly does temperature drop per 1,000 feet? How high are those mountains of yours? Are there magical areas of heat and cold, wet or dry?

Edena_of_Neith
 

ForceUser

Explorer
BiggusGeekus said:
I'd imagine the channel would be prone to earthquakes/tsunami.
Yes, but since it's a pull-apart zone, the earthquakes would be relatively mild--the largest earthquakes (mag. 8+) occur at subduction zones where one tectonic plate forces another back into the Earth's mantle. The next-largest earthquakes (mag. 7.0 - 7.9) generally occur at transverse fault lines, where two continental plates rub against each other laterally. The smallest earthquakes occur at spreading-center zones such as the one The Cardinal has dividing his two mega-continents. Although it's not impossible, tsunami in the real world that are caused by undersea earthquakes generally do not occur where two plates are being pushed apart by volcanic activity, because the earthquakes in those places are not severe enough to create them. Japan, where the term tsunami ("harbor wave") originates, is just west of the Pacific plate, which is subducting underneath both the Phillipine and Eurasian plates. This is why Japan has such devastating earthquakes and tsunami. In contrast, the spreading center that bisects the Atlantic Ocean is pushing the North & South American plates away from the Eurasian and African plates and does not, to my knowledge, generate any tsunami whatsoever.
 

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