Player's Handbook 2: I haz it

[Matt James]

Wardens do indeed look very tasty to fill the "tank" role. I will be startng one this weekend for some events to see how they play. I am hoping they are as good as I think they will be.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Wardens are more for control, Fighters are more for pure damage. So far no other defender hits harder than a fighter can.

For a Warden it'll be neat trying out a Hobgoblin Warden as I feel that Hobgoblin Resilience goes well with the Warden's extra save.

 

[Dice4Hire]

His retaliatory strike when you hit his allies does damage. Its slightly better than the fighters, because he can use it against non adjacent foes, it targets reflex, and it penalizes the target for a round.

It is weapon range, so it could go out to 2. It targets fortitude, though, not reflex.

 

[AkaKageWarrior]

just got an email from amazon.de that my PHB2 will not arrive until 27th.

so maybe someone could help me out with some info on the avenger.
I've seen the photos, but still I'd like to know how:

EDIT: okay, found the photo with the half-orc avengers telling me how the oath
and some low level powers work.

so how are the higher level powers damage wise? for a striker?


thanks!

AKW

 

[Miyaa]

Five points I'd like to make about Player's Handbook 2.

1. The Rituals seems a wee bit weak this time around. (And that's what Arcane Powers are for, more and better Rituals?)
2. Is it just me, or after three books, the weapons seem like something you could assemble and reassemble like a bunch of legoes with the magical abilities attachments? I kind of like it, but then again, I think I've seen this before in Diablo, and Dungeon Siege.
3. Maybe it's just me, but the Bard still seems slightly weaker versus the other classes. But definitely not the "Bravely Sir Robin" bard of versions before.
4. So, the Devas are more like Trills from Deep Space Nine? Did I get that right about their reincarnation abilities? (And how did they not get Druid as a favored class?)
5. The female gnome on page 10 is totally hot. The female Deva on page 8, not so hot. Plus, she who dressed her up, Hannibal Lector?

 

[CrimsonNeko]

Got the book from drive thru rpg. Wow, I am a bit blown away. Only read the first three pages and last 4 pages of the thread, but something I didn't see that made me squee a bit was seeing the return of Wild Mage! Way better then the 3rd ed Wild Mage, complete with elements that are a reference to the 2nd ed version (like special effects happening based on what number is on the dice). I am a little worried that the power is creeping upwards, but it seems to not be too bad. Honestly, I'll probably write up a bard of some sort or a wild sorcerer. Both classes just really blew me away. Though I was really impressed by the Druid and Shaman write ups as well.

 

[Dice4Hire]

just got an email from amazon.de that my PHB2 will not arrive until 27th.

so maybe someone could help me out with some info on the avenger.
I've seen the photos, but still I'd like to know how:

EDIT: okay, found the photo with the half-orc avengers telling me how the oath
and some low level powers work.

so how are the higher level powers damage wise? for a striker?
AKW

Avengers do two things well. Hit, (by rolling twice a good deal of the time) and chasing down an opponent who tries to flee. Their damage is not spectacular, but on the plus side, they do not override marks or curses or anything else, so they can still cooperate well.

4e, just like 3.5, it is nearly impossible to catch an enemy that flat out runs away. Avengers are the only class that really has any chance of doing so.


But massive damage is not their thing, not missing much is.

 

[Dice4Hire]

Five points I'd like to make about Player's Handbook 2.

1. The Rituals seems a wee bit weak this time around. (And that's what Arcane Powers are for, more and better Rituals?)
2. Is it just me, or after three books, the weapons seem like something you could assemble and reassemble like a bunch of legoes with the magical abilities attachments? I kind of like it, but then again, I think I've seen this before in Diablo, and Dungeon Siege.
3. Maybe it's just me, but the Bard still seems slightly weaker versus the other classes. But definitely not the "Bravely Sir Robin" bard of versions before.
4. So, the Devas are more like Trills from Deep Space Nine? Did I get that right about their reincarnation abilities? (And how did they not get Druid as a favored class?)
5. The female gnome on page 10 is totally hot. The female Deva on page 8, not so hot. Plus, she who dressed her up, Hannibal Lector?

1. Yes, but I think rituals will be Arcane and Divine power. If there are not lots of rituals there, I will be upset. There are some good rituals here, but a lot of minor. The plus is that most rituals are do or don't. The roll does not matter, so anyone can use them more easily.

2. Yes, weapons, like in 3E are virtually interchangeable. At least 4E has a lot of feat that apply only to one type of weapon.

3. I try to like the bard, but it is hard. They are masters of rituals, which hurts as rituals are still weak, and their multiclassing could be very impressive. Dragging in stuff form multiple classes could be game-breaking. Without multiclassing, I find them rather weak.

4. I wonder how many things Devas will be compared to.....

5. Some people buy playboy, some people buy gaming books.......

 

[AkaKageWarrior]

Avengers do two things well. Hit, (by rolling twice a good deal of the time) and chasing down an opponent who tries to flee. Their damage is not spectacular, but on the plus side, they do not override marks or curses or anything else, so they can still cooperate well.

4e, just like 3.5, it is nearly impossible to catch an enemy that flat out runs away. Avengers are the only class that really has any chance of doing so.


But massive damage is not their thing, not missing much is.

thanks!

 

[Plane Sailing]

1. The Rituals seems a wee bit weak this time around. (And that's what Arcane Powers are for, more and better Rituals?)

The list of arcane Power rituals has been posted on wizards.com. I think they stuffed in about 18. A few looked as if they might be interesting, but come on! rituals offer so *much*, but there are so few around.

Maybe they are waiting to do a 'big book of rituals' (Book of Infinite Spells?)