D&D (2024) Playtest: Is the Human Terrible?

[doctorbadwolf]

You're right it doesn't mean it must happen the same way.

It does however mean people are not "absurd" for thinking it's likely to happen that way. Which was the description you used.

Also they made this mistake with 4e to Essentials, and 2e to 3e PR. Heck they even tried the "D&D Next" concept to avoid using "edition" with 5e itself. They've literally NEVER in the history of the company pulled off the "backwards compatible" claims made. They've never once learned from the very many lessons of the past. So why is it so irrational to expect they will, once again, behave like they've always behaved?

Good lord.

I can only shake my head and walk away, in response to this.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

They know we now it. They also postulates that the D&D market is doubling each year, so the 3.5 incompatibility fiasco ocurring 19 years ago has seen the market multiplied by 524,288 since then, drowning us the old witness of this long past time among their target audience.

I mean, a significant part of the player base hadn't been born in 2003.

1) thank you I feel old enough
and
2) that is what annoys me the most... they can lie to new people and just trust that enough of them will believe the company line over the players that have been around for the last 350 years... "Back in my day we sat on rocks, and had to only play during daylight since we didn't have fire yet"

 

[Mistwell]

1) thank you I feel old enough
and
2) that is what annoys me the most... they can lie to new people and just trust that enough of them will believe the company line over the players that have been around for the last 350 years... "Back in my day we sat on rocks, and had to only play during daylight since we didn't have fire yet"

I really don't think they lie about this. I think they all go in thinking it will be completely compatible. That plan never survives contact with the enemy which is the actual new edition, but they always go in believing this time it will work.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

hat plan never survives contact with the enemy which is the actual new edition, but they always go in believing this time it will work.

maybe not a lie, but they are not being honest (maybe even with themselves) if they think they are going to do what none of the previous editions did... even the 2 times we were told (and later told they had a .5 in the wings and it was a bold faced lie...if you believe cook) they were going to be the final edition.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I really don't think they lie about this. I think they all go in thinking it will be completely compatible. That plan never survives contact with the enemy which is the actual new edition, but they always go in believing this time it will work.

So, you think they’re idiots.

 

[James Gasik]

See here's how it's going to go down. They open with their "intent" to not have a major edition change and everything is the "same edition", and "fully compatible". Then the playtest will "reveal" that what people really want is a new edition, so when it comes out completely different, they'll say it was what the fans wanted, not their intent.

 

[Mistwell]

So, you think they’re idiots.

No, I think they're human. People overestimate all the time. I do, and I am sure you do sometimes as well.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

No, I think they're human. People overestimate all the time. I do, and I am sure you do sometimes as well.

Sure. And then I learn from it.

Just like they learned from 3.5 and didn’t try to say that a new game wasn’t a new game for 4e. Or all the various lessons from all three previous editions they’d made that they applied to 5e.

 

[Mistwell]

Sure. And then I learn from it.

Just like they learned from 3.5 and didn’t try to say that a new game wasn’t a new game for 4e. Or all the various lessons from all three previous editions they’d made that they applied to 5e.

I again say we're long past the "OK let's see what happens" phase of this conversation.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Crawford was quite adamant that they want people to mix and match material in practice...since they want to encourage people to buy the new books and keep or even continue buying older ones, that makes sense.

I want to step in and say I don't think Crawford wanted us to mix and match everything. I don't think they are expecting to get useful feedback from "2024 Human with 2014 Sentinel and Polearm master at level 1 is broken" or "2014 Variant Human with 2024 Backgrounds is too powerful"

They clearly expect some things to be mixed and matched, but other things are kind of obviously not part of the playtest