Points of Light and the Forgotten Realms

an_idol_mind said:
You don't need to jump it forward 100 years, kill off most of the beloved NPCs, and wreck much of the world just to publish new product.

Just who the flaming monkey dung are they "beloved" to? I'm an FR fan and BLOODY LOATHE the "beloved NPCs" - Virtually every I knew who ran FR in 2E did too, as did most of the players. The only people who liked them seemed to be those who had a severe hard-on for Drizzt or Elminster or other horrific Mary-Sue types.

If every single major FR NPC died in a fire, the setting would be better for it. It would certainly not be diminished.
 

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Well, I've now read the preview chapter, and I have to say I love it. As I said before, I love Forgotten Realms because the setting advances. Things change. This is a *major* change, admittedly, but I still like it. And, as I've said, and others have said, there's nothing stopping you from playing in previous time periods.
 

There's plenty for WoTC to explore in the Forgotten Realms. A new sourcebook on Cormyr would be nice. Not had one since 1st Edition, and plenty has changed since then. One detailing the Dalelands, along with the new Myth Drannor would be nice. A Silverymoon book in the same vain as the Waterdeep one, or heck, even Ptolus (A boy can dream can't he?). Sourcebooks detailing Amn, Tethyr, Impiltur, Sembia, the Western Heartlands can be done. What about a Faiths of Faerún? We still have loads to explore. You could even go nuts and do Kara-Tur, Maztica and Zakhura. People seem to forget just how HUGE the setting is.

Destroying the setting and alienating the current fan base will not help bring that many new people into the Realms. Word of mouth is a vital marketing tool, after all, and if the people playing in the Realms are sticking with the old realms, the new books are redundant for players looking to join those groups.
 

Ruin Explorer said:
Huh, I didn't read the sample chapter before, now I have...

CCC = KKK = R.A. Salvatore is a tasteless assbastard. They're even called "The Night Riders". Does the man not have one original bone in his body? That's the sort of nincompoopery I would have thought was beneath me when I was thirteen, no joke...
I will note that the Death Eaters attack at the Quidditch World Cup in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix reads like a newspaper account of a KKK attack, complete with pointed hoods that cover the bigots' faces.

Salvatore is hardly alone in drawing inspiration from real life villains.
 

I must have been under a rock somewhere as I just read the preview chapter now. Crazy stuff. I'm all for it. The Realms seems very interesting to me now. and Cattiebrie is dead thank the gods.

Regarding Rich Baker saying that they weren't turning the Realms into a points of light setting, I don't know what he's talking about as its right in the preview chapter it clearly states:

"Where are the candles to chase away the darkness?
 

Ruin Explorer said:
Precisely - Also note that they came out before our culture as a whole was really familiar with the concept of "reboots" - we've seen, in the the 2000s, dozens of licenses/IPs get "rebooted", and in the vast majority of cases, the reboot has been more popular than the pre-reboot version (prime examples are in the recent movie reboots of Spiderman, Transformers, etc. - or of Battlestar Galactica and so on).

As a matter of semantics, you seem to be confusing adaptations with reboots somewhat. Spider-Man is a film adaptation of the comic, not a reboot. The comic itself didn't get scrapped and restarted; it's still going strong after 40+ years.

As to Transformers, Battlestar Galactica, and others, those are reboots of a franchise that hasn't been big in decades. That's a bit different than Realms fans having one version of Faerûn in 2007 and then having what is essentially an entirely new world with a few old names in 2008.
 

Somebody needs to start a poll asking if people would prefer FR go through this reboot or stay the same. Don't think it would effect what WotC does, but the results would be interesting either way.

Sam

[edit] I'm too tired and lazy to do it. :p
 

*Reads with glee.*

After the incessant lies about them working on 4th edition I believe the opposite anyone from WotC says. If Baker says FR won't be shoehorned into PoL then it would bet against it.
 

Samuel Leming said:
Somebody needs to start a poll asking if people would prefer FR go through this reboot or stay the same. Don't think it would effect what WotC does, but the results would be interesting either way.

Sam

After one small preview chapter, and without allowing time for people to get used to the idea, I think would be a little soon.

I'm hoping there's more information available in Grand History of the Realms.
 

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William Ronald said:
I don't think that the gods will die, but may be a bit more distant than they have been in the past -- assuming these changes happen.

Many of the good drow could have been destroyed, but some coulld exist as remnants. Drizzt may learn of some and seek them out and bring them to the safety of the Silver Marches. (Never assume a character who narrates events know everything.)

One alternative for the merging of two worlds would be if someone opened up gates and ended up merging parts of another world with the Realms and possibly some locales changing places. This would be more than enough to create a lot of chaos. (This may also create theological turmoil if the new people to the Realms brought in their own deities. It might take a long time for some of the gods of the Realms to adjust and their may be a reluctance to interfere directly after so much damage.0

(Possible narrative from someone besides Drizzt, in this case, imagine an eladrin wizard narrating. Okay, just doing this for our amusement as we know that WotC will be using some real world mythology and legends to draw on.)

"Sadly, Netheril was not the only place which attempted magic that was beyond their power or control. The war between Thay and Mulhorand reached its peak in an attack that Mulhorand thought that they could counter. However, it was not enough, and the magics blended in a horrifying way, devastating parts of both lands. The Mulhorandi called on their gods, and their gods answered."

"The devastation spread like a wave, opening up rifts between Toril and another world. Villages and cities vanished to be replaced by forests, swamp or even cities from tht world. Or villages and cities were utterly destroyed as parts of that world fell on them. The inhabitants of that world were utterly confused as they found themselves in a strange and shattered land called Faerun. Strange horrors disturbed the Underdark, leading many to flee -- to the surface."

"The gods of the newcomers also apparently heeded their prayers, and many voices were raised in supplication and fear. I remember, a tribe of Uthgardt barbarians were battling giants that had appeared in a village. A tribe of the newcomers saw the battle and a paladin of Tyr called out his god's name. Some of the warriors of this tribe shouted the name Tyr and other strange gods besides, and joined the battle and a village was saved. That was one of the few days of joy in many years of pain."

"Now, the gods seem reluctant to intervene, perhaps fearing that their mighty hands might damage a wounded world. Still, I have seen those who have called on their faith to aid them, and some have journeyed from afar to help Toril in its time of need. To quote an old friend dead many years, 'They have their work cut out for them.' "

"Cormanthor was hit heavily, and the followers of Ellistrae were slain or fled. Some still live, in hiding or hiding their faith. May they endure. May those islands of civilization and peace that remain endure amid a rising sea of perils."


"Faerun has been through much this century. Some heroes fell, sacrificing their lives so th at others could live, and new ones emerged. Yet, at this time, the world is still in need of heroes. Whether you and those dear to you are native to Toril, or are among those who came here in an age of sorrow, the world has need of you. May it be said that you proved worthy of the challenge of our age. The choice is yours: to seek to save or damn Toril or to follow your own path. Choose wisely, as the world is watching."

(Okay, incredibly corny, but hopefully someone might like it.)

One thing I would like to see in the Realms are examples of characters from different classes, perhaps even a few who interact as an adventuring party or allies.

And that nation was called Cyre and with it came the warforged, the shifters, the changelings and others...
 

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