Points of Light and the Forgotten Realms

BlackMoria said:
Here is another quote for the sample chapter that is revealing.



Rise of Netheril suggests that the return of the city of Shade is a foreshadowing of some sort of victory of the Shadowvar. Perhaps the Spellplague only affects Weave users, which might be the reason the Shadowvar became ascendant.

Coming of the Aboleths.... some sort of aboleth invasion?

Discordant and disastrous joining to two worlds? Is a figurative or literal event? World as in two different cultures or is it more literal, as two different physicalities joining?

I'm sorry but the words of Rich Baker and the limited information gleaned from the sample chapter of the Orc King are at odds. Looks to me like the big campaign world reset button was pushed.

"...we're not going to overthrow worlds with that much breadth and history." :confused:


I'm kind of thinking that perhaps because we have been assured that Drizzt and Elminster are still around, that that counts as "preserving" the setting. To tell you the truth, for what I enjoy about the world I'd be less upset if Elminster and Drizzt were gone but Sembia, Thay, Mulhorand, Luskan, Waterdeep, Cormyr, etc were left alone. Heck, even the 100 year future jump could have been interesting if they hadn't decided to decimate so much of the Realms.
 

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William Ronald said:
Well, one could perhaps say that the coming of the Shade could be considered a joining of the two worlds. However, it may mena something else.

Spoilers for the Twilight War series:

In the Twilight War series, the Shadowstorm was just invoked, which is basically a big old gate to the Plane of Shadows, whereupon the animals near the gate were changed into "umbral" creatures and most of the living souls in Ordulin were killed by shadows . . . I'm thinking that this might have something to do with the "joining," but hey, they could have done something even more devastating in the mean time.
 

2WS-Steve said:
That's an interesting section. I wonder to what extent someone like Salvatore guides the structure of the Realms, and to what extent he follows it.

I'd imagine that WotC does and should let their most popular writers take the lead in this regard -- after all, the reason they're popular is that they somehow tap into what readers find appealing about the fiction. But I'm curious to what extent -- for instance, if that story does match the new points of light setting concept, did the story lead the FRCS change, or the FRCS change lead the story?

Also, I know they've got other stars as well. Does anyone have an idea of how the various authors break out?


Many of the Realms authors have said before that the "big" parts of the plot are dictated to them. They get hired to write a trilogy about X, and they show how things get from Y to X, so to speak.

So Troy Denning was told to kill off Azoun and bring the city of Thultanthar (Shade) back, Richard Lee Byers was told to write a story about a new Rage of Dragons, etc. The metaplot isn't the author's purview.

I'm betting the main body of the book, and perhaps some of what happened to the Silver Marches, was RAS idea, but the rest was most definitely planned out by the powers that be.
 

Dice4Hire said:
I have to admit the thought of FR as a magical wasteland does have some appeal............

If FR is kicked back about three orders of magnitude on the power and overreaching plots scales, I might become interested in it.

Which it might in 4E

I am looking at it


See, this is what I don't get. Its no insult to you, and I know not every setting appeals to every person, but in order to get you interested in the setting, they have almost made it unrecognizable to me, who has been faithfully following it for 20 years. Perhaps they know something I don't, but it seems like a big risk to bank on a gain/loss ratio that has to do with gaining fans that were never interested in the setting before.
 

Wow. I mean, there's changing a setting, and there's blowing up the world. That's a very bold move on Wizards part, to say the least. I have to admit though, as someone who's always been lukewarm on the realms, it makes me a little interested, if only to see what they change.

On the Salvatore side, looks like he's finally been given a chance to do something a little different with Drizzt...fast foward 100 years, use one novel to give a rundown to what happened to all his friends and how they lived and died, close up all the remaining plot hooks and character bits, and start fresh. To a point, anyway. He's still stuck writing the same character, but he does get to wipe out the supporting cast built up over a dozen books and put him in a different setting.
 

Mad Mac said:
Wow. I mean, there's changing a setting, and there's blowing up the world. That's a very bold move on Wizards part, to say the least. I have to admit though, as someone who's always been lukewarm on the realms, it makes me a little interested, if only to see what they change.

On the Salvatore side, looks like he's finally been given a chance to do something a little different with Drizzt...fast foward 100 years, use one novel to give a rundown to what happened to all his friends and how they lived and died, close up all the remaining plot hooks and character bits, and start fresh. To a point, anyway. He's still stuck writing the same character, but he does get to wipe out the supporting cast built up over a dozen books and put him in a different setting.

Ironically, the one positive I saw in this sample chapter is that Drizzt is a little more pissed off and cynical, which is a nice change from a guy that's constantly second guessing himself and having long internal monologues about how much faith he has in his friends and the hearts of others, etc.
 

Wow...the destruction of the good drow (thought that was a FR sacred cow), the death of the gods (another sacred cow)...aboleths...Netheril...

This will be very, very cool.
 

WarlockLord said:
Wow...the destruction of the good drow (thought that was a FR sacred cow), the death of the gods (another sacred cow)...aboleths...Netheril...

This will be very, very cool.


I don't think that the gods will die, but may be a bit more distant than they have been in the past -- assuming these changes happen.

Many of the good drow could have been destroyed, but some coulld exist as remnants. Drizzt may learn of some and seek them out and bring them to the safety of the Silver Marches. (Never assume a character who narrates events know everything.)

One alternative for the merging of two worlds would be if someone opened up gates and ended up merging parts of another world with the Realms and possibly some locales changing places. This would be more than enough to create a lot of chaos. (This may also create theological turmoil if the new people to the Realms brought in their own deities. It might take a long time for some of the gods of the Realms to adjust and their may be a reluctance to interfere directly after so much damage.0

(Possible narrative from someone besides Drizzt, in this case, imagine an eladrin wizard narrating. Okay, just doing this for our amusement as we know that WotC will be using some real world mythology and legends to draw on.)

"Sadly, Netheril was not the only place which attempted magic that was beyond their power or control. The war between Thay and Mulhorand reached its peak in an attack that Mulhorand thought that they could counter. However, it was not enough, and the magics blended in a horrifying way, devastating parts of both lands. The Mulhorandi called on their gods, and their gods answered."

"The devastation spread like a wave, opening up rifts between Toril and another world. Villages and cities vanished to be replaced by forests, swamp or even cities from tht world. Or villages and cities were utterly destroyed as parts of that world fell on them. The inhabitants of that world were utterly confused as they found themselves in a strange and shattered land called Faerun. Strange horrors disturbed the Underdark, leading many to flee -- to the surface."

"The gods of the newcomers also apparently heeded their prayers, and many voices were raised in supplication and fear. I remember, a tribe of Uthgardt barbarians were battling giants that had appeared in a village. A tribe of the newcomers saw the battle and a paladin of Tyr called out his god's name. Some of the warriors of this tribe shouted the name Tyr and other strange gods besides, and joined the battle and a village was saved. That was one of the few days of joy in many years of pain."

"Now, the gods seem reluctant to intervene, perhaps fearing that their mighty hands might damage a wounded world. Still, I have seen those who have called on their faith to aid them, and some have journeyed from afar to help Toril in its time of need. To quote an old friend dead many years, 'They have their work cut out for them.' "

"Cormanthor was hit heavily, and the followers of Ellistrae were slain or fled. Some still live, in hiding or hiding their faith. May they endure. May those islands of civilization and peace that remain endure amid a rising sea of perils."


"Faerun has been through much this century. Some heroes fell, sacrificing their lives so th at others could live, and new ones emerged. Yet, at this time, the world is still in need of heroes. Whether you and those dear to you are native to Toril, or are among those who came here in an age of sorrow, the world has need of you. May it be said that you proved worthy of the challenge of our age. The choice is yours: to seek to save or damn Toril or to follow your own path. Choose wisely, as the world is watching."

(Okay, incredibly corny, but hopefully someone might like it.)

One thing I would like to see in the Realms are examples of characters from different classes, perhaps even a few who interact as an adventuring party or allies.
 

Regarding the good drow and Eilistraee (Spoilers for the Lady Penitent Trilogy):

Eilistraee and Lolth are playing a big cosmic game, and so far Vhearaun, Selvetarm, and Kiaraunsalee have been killed off. Eilistraee absorbed Vhearaun and took on some of his aspects and some of his worshipers, and it looks like either she will defeat Lolth, become corrupted by the power she absorbed from the other gods, and become a new Lolth, or at the last minute the power that has corrupted Eilistraee will fail her and Lolth will win.
 

KnightErrantJR said:
Regarding the good drow and Eilistraee (Spoilers for the Lady Penitent Trilogy):

Eilistraee and Lolth are playing a big cosmic game, and so far Vhearaun, Selvetarm, and Kiaraunsalee have been killed off. Eilistraee absorbed Vhearaun and took on some of his aspects and some of his worshipers, and it looks like either she will defeat Lolth, become corrupted by the power she absorbed from the other gods, and become a new Lolth, or at the last minute the power that has corrupted Eilistraee will fail her and Lolth will win.


Either way, the good drow might have a rough time and some tough decisions to make. Based on this, I would argue that any Realms supplement set 100 years ahead of the current campaign date should expect some significant changes.

Thanks for the news, KnightErrantJR!!!
 

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