Poll for Technik4's thread

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I don't know how to make a poll (or I would).

I do, so I am.

EDIT: But I don't know how to edit them. The last option should be G. Leave them as they are, rather than another copy of F! Sorry about that.


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[ARandomGod]

I think some explanation is needed for the "why" people might consider these changes... the reasoning behind them. So I'm going to post some quote excerpts from the thread and my reply there.

Most of the options (A, B, D, and E) strike me as the 'wrong' use for the ability score, and it would be hard to get me to use them in general -- they just feel awkward. I could see Will being modified by either Wisdom or Charisma, though I do prefer Wisdom (and as such chose G over C).

Yea, I think that they need explanations to justify them. Without that people tend to see things as they always have. Which is why to this day many people play charisma as almost entirely looks in spite of the strong effort to get away from it.

From a logical point of view, I think Charisma is quite fitting for the Will save.

Definitely, once you realize what charisma is meant to be these days... charisma IS your willpower, so will saves really should be charisma based.

The Reflex save to Wisdom also makes some sense, but it has to be applied ... explained. First people have reflex under dex because dex is a reaction of how fast you move, how dexterous. However no matter HOW dexterous you are most of the things you would reflex save from really you'd be saving them in a preternatural awareness type way. Just 'knowing' something is up and reacting. Sort of spidy sense like. You only reflexively move to something after you're aware of it... which is the same to say after you've been hit. For you to make a 'save' you need to do it BEFORE it happens. Hence moving that save to willpower.

Edit:
The idea to move initiative to charisma as well I personally first saw from Cyber:
(Excerpt)

One idea I've had is to have initiative based of Cha instead of Dex. It's not as insane as it might sound. One facet of Charisma is how outgoing you are. If you're an extrovert, you have a high Cha; if you're an introvert, you have a middling to low Cha. In most situations, an extrovert will act before an introvert. So having initiative reflect that instead of Dex gives Cha a reasonable boost -- in my mind, at least -- not to mention that it siphons off a bit of power from the 1st or 2nd most powerful stat in the game.