[Poll]Will you buy and use AV's BoEF?

[Desdichado]

I'm 31. I have no interest in the BoEF.

 

[Arnwyn]

Thanks especially to arnwyn and Teflon Billy.

Thanks for the kind words.

One thing I would like to get a sense of, though, is what the ages are of the people taking various positions in the debate. I've been fighting the temptation to generalize that those most clearly opposed to "mature gaming" are those like me who have completed 30+ laps around the sun.

Well, like another poster noted, I don't equate "mature gaming" with "erotica in gaming". In any case, I'm 28.

if this book can help interject that aspect without becoming tasteless, crude, or "creepy", then i think it'll be a good thing.

Where that line is drawn, though, will be different for everyone. For example, it has already surpassed the "creepy" mark for me with weird things like the sacred prostitute and that tantric sex-power stuff. My players would give me a big "guh?" and leave if I tried to introduce those things (and rightfully so).

For others, that kind of stuff would be no big deal for their group - and thus this book would suit their needs well (which is why I'm not against it being made - though it saddens me to think that a book like this would come out before a book about economics and PCs owning inns, taverns, ships, and caravans on the side).

 

[jgbrowning]

Although I have a relationship with valar, its not a buisness one.
What hunter said is true. Additionally I'm running an official contest where the prize is a free copy of the BOEF.

In retrospect perhaps i should have used they, but because I spend time there and know them personally, we is kind of second nature. I do feel like a representative of valars forum and the book, as a playtester i feel its my responsibility almost.

Ah, that explains why you're sensitive when we call it elf porn. Not that I have a business relationship with either barsoomcore or teflon billy.... As a playtester you should have told AV that the book would have been taken much more seriously if they would have dropped the BSDM pictures and the pictures of girls with photoshopped ears.

Most people find that very silly in association with RPGing. It has it's place, but as demonstrated by both of your polls, that place usually isn't at someone's dinner table.

joe b.

 

[kenjib]

Although I have a relationship with valar, its not a buisness one.
What hunter said is true. Additionally I'm running an official contest where the prize is a free copy of the BOEF.

In retrospect perhaps i should have used they, but because I spend time there and know them personally, we is kind of second nature. I do feel like a representative of valars forum and the book, as a playtester i feel its my responsibility almost.

If you really feel like you are representative and responsible (claims which I imagine would make AV uncomfortable from a legal standpoint), I'd like to point you toward an example of great professionalism and public relations:

http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=66814

Check out posts number 10 and 13. A simple response like that to the "elf porn" line would have prevented this entire argument. Something like this:

"While some may feel the photographs are pornographic, I feel that they are high quality works of art. The photographer Valar has chosen is highly respected in his field of work and has a great deal of experience and artistic vision. As the definition of pornography is subjective, this is of course up to us all to decide for ourselves, but I feel that Valar is producing a work of artistic value with great utility at the gaming table. Like all supplementary material, the contents of this book are not for everyone, but for those who want this type of material, Valar is putting out an excellent resource of the highest quality."

By the way, that is just an example meant to illustrate and not intended to put words in your mouth.

IMO half of this thread would never have needed to exist if you had said something like this instead of fuming, telling other posters what and what not to say, and attempting to get the thread shut down.

 

[kenjib]

oops double post.

 

[fusangite]

What I meant by "mature gaming" was erotica in gaming. Had I actually meant mature gaming, I would not have used quotation marks.

 

[BrooklynKnight]

though it saddens me to think that a book like this would come out before a book about economics and PCs owning inns, taverns, ships, and caravans on the side).

Um... There are books out about PC's owning ships. Enworld has 2 books i think about inns and taverns and fairs, stuff about owning them should be in there.

And in general, the great thing about d20/ogl is that you can create what you feel there is a void in.

You think a book should be written for those topics? Then write one.

 

[johnsemlak]

Will you buy and use AV's BoEF

No

There's too much other stuff I want to even consider it.

 

[hunter1828]

For example, it has already surpassed the "creepy" mark for me with weird things like the sacred prostitute and that tantric sex-power stuff. My players would give me a big "guh?" and leave if I tried to introduce those things (and rightfully so).

Despite the fact that the Sacred Prostitute is based on the real world Temple Prostitutes of the ancient world? They are know from Babylon, Egypt, Greece & Rome, amongst others. I only point this out because the PrC isn't just something made up, but, like many other classes/PrCs in the game, have real world origins.

As for the tantric stuff...I won't be using it myself in my game primarily because it brings too much of an "Eastern" feel that doesn't fit with my "Western" based games (same reason there are no monks in my games).

Most people find that very silly in association with RPGing. It has it's place, but as demonstrated by both of your polls, that place usually isn't at someone's dinner table.

They weren't Arthur's polls. The first one (this one) was started by Shadow, the other one was started by me.


hunter1828

 

[hunter1828]

stupid double post...