Potion of Truestrike?

[0-hr]

For some reason I've had it in my head that 3.5 made those old stand-bys the Potion of Shield and Potion of True Strike illegal somehow; but I've just been trying to review the details and can't find anything in the books.

Was it all just a wishful thinking?

 

[Matafuego]

What's so bad about a potion of true strike?

 

[Brother MacLaren]

The problem is that True Strike is a spell designed to make it worthwhile to play a multiclass Wizard/Fighting Type. It can be cast in armor, and it greatly benefits melee combat (especially in conjunction with Power Attack, Spirited Charge, or Smite Evil).
If you have potions available, then the single-class Fighter can pretty easily duplicate the Fighter/Wizard's best trick at low cost.
I thought that you could only make potions of spells that can affect other beings, and that Shield and True Strike are caster-only.

 

[Hypersmurf]

CREATING POTIONS
The creator of a potion needs a level working surface and at least a few containers in which to mix liquids, as well as a source of heat to boil the brew. In addition, he needs ingredients. The costs for materials and ingredients are subsumed in the cost for brewing the potion—25 gp x the level of the spell x the level of the caster. All ingredients and materials used to brew a potion must be fresh and unused. The character must pay the full cost for brewing each potion. (Economies of scale do not apply.)

The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target. Spells with a range of personal cannot be made into potions.

-Hyp.

 

[Matafuego]

You were right...
but there's a bow of true strike somewhere available
wouldn't that be the same thing?

 

[Hypersmurf]

You were right...
but there's a bow of true strike somewhere available
wouldn't that be the same thing?

A single class fighter can't use the Bow of True Arrows unless he's got a bunch of cross-class UMD ranks - it's a spell trigger item, so you can only activate it if True Strike is on your class spell list.

Fighters don't have particularly comprehensive class spell lists

-Hyp.

 

[Matafuego]

oh I get it I get it!!
Thanks a lot

 

[dcollins]

For some reason I've had it in my head that 3.5 made those old stand-bys the Potion of Shield and Potion of True Strike illegal somehow; but I've just been trying to review the details and can't find anything in the books.

I still play 3.0, and my reading of the intent is that even in 3.0 these potions are prohibited. They're certainly not on the DMG potions list. As Hyp pointed out, they strengthened the language in 3.5 to make it even more clear.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I still play 3.0, and my reading of the intent is that even in 3.0 these potions are prohibited. They're certainly not on the DMG potions list. As Hyp pointed out, they strengthened the language in 3.5 to make it even more clear.

Of course, in 3E, Personal-range potions aren't prohibited - see the potion of Alter Self in the DMG.

And if Personal-range potions aren't prohibited, then the wording of the Brew Potion feat allows any spell of the appropriate level that targets a creature to be made into a potion. Alter Self demonstrates that "You" is a creature.

In 3.5, the same applies, except that Personal-range potions are prohibited. So a Potion of Alter Self would be allowed in 3.5 (since it targets a creature), but for the Personal prohibition - a separate issue.

-Hyp.

 

[dcollins]

Of course, in 3E, Personal-range potions aren't prohibited - see the potion of Alter Self in the DMG.

I believe that's an oversight.

When the 3.0 DMG came out there were approximately 7 Personal-range potions on the table. The DMG Errata was published which went through and specifically took out most of those, replacing them with other spells. What was left remaining was only alter self and speak with animals... which to me looks like a not-quite-complete attempt to delete all the Personal spells from the list.