Powergaming, who is on board?

[Nifft]

Has this discussion changed into power-window gaming?

Confused, -- N

 

[mvincent]

You know, I had a much longer response to this, but when I reviewed it, I realized that it was against the rules, so we'll just go with I think you're full of crap.

I was thinking that my post was almost guaranteed to tick some people off, even though that wasn't my intent. My intent was simply to illuminate (i.e. provide reasons) why someone may not wish to game with a car-less person.

This does not reflect my own viewpoint. And the reasons aren't necessarily good ones... it was simply that the question was asked, so I did what I could to provide some honest possibilities. I didn't expect you to like the information, but if you don't believe that some people might feel this way, that's on you, not me.

Example: I might think this whole odor-disguising thing is crap (natural smells harm no one), but if someone explained that the issue is important for some people, calling this information crap won't change those people's avoidance of me.

Your reply was not unexpected, merely unfortunate. This is why I generally avoid trying to offer information on purely subjective issues... no one really wants to hear it.

Since I have no vested interest in the subject, let me try to end it:
You are likely right. I am likely wrong (i.e. the people I described earlier likely do not exist in significant quantities). No worries.

... less talking about cars, more panning of power gamers

 

[Sound of Azure]

Power Window Gaming

Has this discussion changed into power-window gaming?

Confused, -- N

Up, Down, Up, Down, Up, Up, Down, Down, A, B?

 

[ThePublic]

Whoa! Wait a minute.

Just because one wanker is a bit of a classist (although that wanker maybe described as me) doesn't invalidate the viewpoints given. Yes, it DOES take a bit more gumption, for lack of a better term to own a reliable car in a non-public trans friendly area (hence the social stabilty to hold said job for said transport) and was one of the points I agree with fully.

And YES BODY ODOR DOES hurt others! It hurts my nose, that of my wife and the sanitary conditions of any dirtbag stinky enough to soil my nice expensive couch during game. It harms the game as i put forth more cash to clean said stench from my home. Shoes go on the correct feet, you always reply thankyou when someone says Bless you after a sneeze, AND YOU WASH YOU DIRTY BACKSIDE EVERY DAY. Deodorant works. Having done everything from white collar to being 'form monkey' on a concrete crew I can attest, when used with HYGENE they work (and you probally will be more popular with the opposite sex, although THAT may be detrimental to your game.

But that is of topic.

If you take stuff just to get bonuses w/o regard to character concept or party cohesion, then YOU my friend are a powergamer, and I question why you do it and WHY your DM allows you to breathe air that may be better served by someone else.

Strong language, no.

Strong question, would you expect anything less. I still have no good clear answer over 1,000 views on this darned thing.

Step up and sound off like you gotta pair.

The Public

 

[The Shadow Lich]

(Patryn of Elvenshae) I said I was a new player back then. Now I could find a ton of stuff to use the kobold for or ways to add a template. But that was not the point I was making. The point was both roleplaying and power gaming are fun. You can have both. I was meerly making a point.

 

[Seeten]

If you take stuff just to get bonuses w/o regard to character concept or party cohesion, then YOU my friend are a powergamer, and I question why you do it and WHY your DM allows you to breathe air that may be better served by someone else.

Why do you assume its w/o regard to character concept?

Lets say I take 4 levels in fighter, and then 4 levels in rogue, 2 in assassin, then 2 in ranger, and then 5 in dread commando. Did I do it for the powergaming bonuses? Did I do it because my concept was "Sneaky, yet deadly assassin, capable in a straight up fight, but also can slit your throat in the night"? How in the hell would you know?

Or, lets say I was doing something else. 3 levels of Rogue, 3 of Swashbuckler. Daring outlaw feat, 2 levels of Dread Pirate, 10 of Scarlet Corsair, and 2 more of Dread Pirate. Did I do it for the powergaming? Did I do it because my character was supposed to be a skilled and bloodthirsty pirate? How in the hell would you know?

If someone asks for a rogue build, and I post the above, and you call it powergaming, first, where do you get off, and second, what makes you think anyone else cares what you think?

Do you think I care if you call my gaming badwrongfun?

Apparently I do, since I am still posting on this thread. In essence, I see a large amount of posts where you basically claim to be better than everyone else, by having a car, and "not caring about your bonuses, only your concept" which somehow makes you a superior roleplayer, at least in your own eyes, and I am calling baloney on it.

Better yet, I call shenanigans.

 

[useridunavailable]

All I meant was: I don't think you're trolling.
Trying to incite people can be considered trolling and is generally bad.

Cheers, -- N

Is not the submission of inflammatory comments for the express purpose of inciting heated response the precise definition of that which is generally described as "trolling"? You may not think it, but I certainly do. Many of the OP's comments coupled with his self-assigned (and IMO thus far entirely unjustified) air of intellectual/social superiority and condescension Marks this entire thread as the capital of the fantastical realm of Underbridge.

I'm not saying that the ostensible topic (the discussion/justification of powergaming) is necessarily a troll, although it certainly is an old and tired debate, but the troll is generally all in the presentation anyway. Further evidence lies in the proven ability of this thread to regenerate--perhaps it would be best for a flame war to erupt and deal it some lethal damage.

 

[Nail]

Do you think I care if you call my gaming badwrongfun?

Apparently I do, since I am still posting on this thread.

Thanks, Seeten. I needed that.

 

[Nail]

I'm not saying that the ostensible topic (the discussion/justification of powergaming) is necessarily a troll, although it certainly is an old and tired debate, but the troll is generally all in the presentation anyway. Further evidence .....

<snip>

Further evidence lies in the OP's unwillingness to engage the questions posed him.

Let's try this again: "Using an actual example from your game, explain how you identified a player as a powergamer, and then how you took him out of your game."

 

[Nifft]

Is not the submission of inflammatory comments for the express purpose of inciting heated response the precise definition of that which is generally described as "trolling"? You may not think it, but I certainly do.

Malicious trolls don't participate in the thread using the same handle as they used to start the thread, and the poster is new enough that I don't assign malice where inexperience is sufficient to explain behavior.

EN World certainly does have its share of trolls.

Cheers, -- N