Pathfinder 1E PPP (Post Pathfinder Poll)

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

They can go farther.

"Compatibility" means, basically, the ability to drop in older stuff and have it work. As long as they don't invalidate the AC of monsters and the features of PrC's, it'll be compatible.

Something like FFZ is supposed to be "compatible" in this sense, even though it uses some pretty dramatically different rules in some places.

They can't go all the way to "4e but with different things!", but they can get closer to fixing some of the underlying problems with 3e.

Hmmm. It might be easy for skills (just use the SAGA / 4E approach), but what is with BAB vs AC?
Bab increases proportional, but faster then level. Monster AC takes this into account. If you change to a "fixed bonus at level 1" you run into multi-classing problems and monster AC at low levels being effectively too low and at higher levels to high.
But maybe it won't really matter. AC for 3E monsters is more an art then science, so maybe the effects will be barely noticeable.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

As someone who continues to come here, I think this is pretty accurate. The cries against the "haters" are often directed against people who have genuine issues, and those genuine issues are belittled until the person feels it's just not worth posting about the issues, because the real message is just going to get ignored in a flood of 4e buzzword-speak.

And I *am* a skeptic. There are points about 4e that I'm vocally for. There are points I'm vocally against.

Which do you think gets more attention?

What you are "vocally for" gets more attention. At least for me, that's a lot more interesting, since it adds something constructive. It simply feels more satisfying. I have yet to see a thread where the opinion of anyone participating significantly changed. The best (but at least that's really good when it happens) is people understanding each other positions - but since their preferences are different, it doesn't change the substance of the discussion. (But sometimes it helps the tone...)

 

[IanB]

An interesting (I think) companion poll to this would be along the lines of:

- I am a current PF subscriber, and this announcement caused me to cancel
- I am a current PF subscriber, and I intend to continue to subscribe
- I am not a current PF subscriber, and this announcement does not change that
- I am not a current PF subscriber, but after the announcement I intend to subscribe

It would give a bit of a feel for what this decision is going to do for Paizo's customer base.

 

[glass]

As someone who continues to come here, I think this is pretty accurate. The cries against the "haters" are often directed against people who have genuine issues, and those genuine issues are belittled until the person feels it's just not worth posting about the issues, because the real message is just going to get ignored in a flood of 4e buzzword-speak.

The trouble is, there are real 'h4ters' out there, who react to almost every announcement with vitriol and crap in virtually every thread. It is unfortunate that people with genuine issues occasionally get tarred with the same brush, but if you are getting drowned out it is in unremitting negativity, not in effusive praise.

And making accusations of 'belittling' and 'buzzword-speak' against those who think 4e might actually be OK don't make you look any less like a hater.



glass.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

This poll is very telling.

Again, I'm not sure this sample is anywhere near as telling as it appears on its face. This is the 4E forum, after all, and is thus likely skewed towards pro-4E people. There may not be many non-4E people even peeping in this forum any longer.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

Again, I'm not sure this sample is anywhere near as telling as it appears on its face. This is the 4E forum, after all, and is thus likely skewed towards pro-4E people. There may not be many non-4E people even peeping in this forum any longer.

While it is not a valid sample it is interesting to get such a high negative on what is often considered a pro-leaning board. If 25% of players really are not going to switch, then Piazo could be doing quite well with this decision.

 

[Ashrum the Black]

For me I've loved everything they'ver produced up to this point, but sadly this news means my subscription will lapse after the second AP is through. I buy the AP's to save myself time, that my job, wife, mortage and two year old no longer allow me. Converting them all to 4e just is not in the cards.

I truley do hope that in a years time they decide to switch over to supporting 4e in some fashion since I do love the adventures they produce. But I have my doubts that they will want to fracture their own customer base. I have my hopes though.

-Ashurm

 

[Commonblade]

I am doing both. I was probably going to still play 3.5 and move to 4th anyway, so now I will have an update in Pathfinder, if I choose to use it. I am one of those people that has too much invested in 3.5 to just walk away. 3.5 is a good system, my players really like it, they are not greatly intrested in 4th, but like anything new, they want to try it out. The best part is that with the free open beta we can take a look at it, see what we like, and if in the end its not what we want, we can just stay with base 3.5. For us, its a win-win.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

The pro-4Eers appear to make up a mostly silent majority of frequenters here.

Heh! Good one!

 

[Carnivorous_Bean]

QFTJATAW.

The move to a per-encounter system in ToB led me to include ToB in my "core only" games. It was that much of an improvement over what came before.

And now you tell me we have an entire system based and balanced around this? Where do I sign over my soul, again?

Agreed. The Tome of Battle was what basically got me to convert to 4th edition -- since 4e appears to have adopted the system, refined it, and extended it. I can't imagine playing any variant of 3rd edition again while 4th edition exists.

That said, I hope that people who don't want to switch to 4th edition will find satisfaction in the new Paizo game, and that Paizo does well. Just because it's not for me doesn't mean that I have any hostility towards it -- what other people decide to do is no skin off my nose, as long as they don't expect me to do it if I don't want to.