Pramas on 4E and New Gamers

[Fenes]

Who says they haven't?

Kids read, watch tv, play board and card games, play outside, play video games, play MMOGs, do sports etc.

 

[hong]

I wonder if the ppl on boardgamegeek ever bemoan about how MMOs are destroying their hobby...?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Out of curiosity, if anyone knows, how in the world does this happen? How does a manuscript head out the door without a final global search for the string "XX"?

I know to little about the manuscript-to-print process, but sometimes you have checked everything fine, make a last-moment edit, think it is okay, and send it off. Unfortunately, it then turns out to be not okay. It is plain human error. Someone is always the last to touch whatever is being done, and even the last person can screw something up.

 

[xechnao]

See, this is why the concept of "browsing" was invented.



The cost of the books is a couple of console games. Just because existing D&D gamers are cheap, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't have disposable income.

If you are so good at browsing that you could figure out if the 832 page worth of rules will be enough fun to you to worth the counter-investment of your money and time from your already familiar whatever fun recreation you are much above the norm and invalid as the selling target we are talking about.

 

[Jeff Wilder]

I know to little about the manuscript-to-print process, but sometimes you have checked everything fine, make a last-moment edit, think it is okay, and send it off. Unfortunately, it then turns out to be not okay. It is plain human error. Someone is always the last to touch whatever is being done, and even the last person can screw something up.

I just don't see how "See page XX" is a "last moment edit." It's obviously a place-holder, and it seems like one of the very last things you'd do -- always -- is check your place-holders.

Sure, human error, obviously. Someone screwed up. But screwing that up seems like the editorial equivalent of heading to the grocery and forgetting your trousers. People do it, apparently ... I'm just not sure how.

Anyway. Tangent. My bad.

 

[xechnao]

Kids read, watch tv, play board and card games, play outside, play video games, play MMOGs, do sports etc.

Not my experience. Kids I know that have console games in their free time they just want to play console games.

 

[Fenes]

If you are so good at browsing that you could figure out if the 832 page worth of rules will be enough fun to you to worth the counter-investment of your money and time from your already familiar whatever fun recreation you are much above the norm and invalid as the selling target we are talking about.

I think your estimation of "the norm" and D&D's selling target is quite unfair and wrong. The kids, much less the adults, that are D&D's target audience are not as dumb as you make them out to be.

 

[hong]

If you are so good at browsing that you could figure out if the 832 page worth of rules will be enough fun to you to worth the counter-investment of your money and time from your already familiar whatever fun recreation you are much above the norm and invalid as the selling target we are talking about.

I think I managed to parse the above sentence.

In which case:

1. Why do you assume newbie gamers are dumb?

2. The average age of an MMO gamer is 25ish. Said people can be assumed to know how to make decisions based on incomplete data.

3. It isn't hard to figure out races, classes and powers. Just think of WoW.

 

[hong]

Not my experience. Kids I know that have console games in their free time they just want to play console games.

Even if they have WoW?

 

[Fenes]

Not my experience. Kids I know that have console games in their free time they just want to play console games.

My little brother didn't (and doesn't now that he's an adult). All those who read Harry Potter do not just play console games. There's sports as well. Comics, TV, just hanging out - there are lots of activities popular with kids who play console games as well. Not to mention the card and board gamers.