Pramas on the OGL

[Orcus]

For two reason. One, I didn't read the articles in question. I only noted that they weren't, in fact, written in reponse to the current brew-ha-ha. Two, not having read is opinion, I wasn't attempting to address it.



Thing is, I don't believe. As I said before, I don't know you and have no reason to believe you. That's why the blog in question being over two years old matters. I don't need to believe what you're telling me to see if a date is recent or not.



Really? One hundred percent? Everything is correct? Or are you overstating the case again?

Seanchai

1. How did you know it was 2 years old if you didnt read it?
2. I dont care a lick if you believe me or not.
3. Yes, in my opinion his "blog" post that I referenced is 100% correct. I dont disagree with any part of it. Not that I can tell. So, I think, that means I agree with 100% of it. I think that is what 100% means. I can go check though if you want.



I'm not sure why I find your blatant antagonism so entertaining, but I do for some reason. I'm also not sure why it is you simply want to believe I am a liar, but I find that amusing as well. Mods, please dont remove these posts. I am not offended by them (if that matters).

Clark

 

[Wystan]

Clark,

You really do have class. I respect you and this has pushed me more in the camp of people hoping you do 4E things than I was before.

 

[Eridanis]

Seanchai, a three day vacation is in order for you here. You come back to the boards after three years away for the express purpose, it seems, of slagging Orcus in this and other threads. Please read the link Xath posted above to remind yourself how to treat others courteously here.

 

[jgbrowning]

Seanchai,

You're new here, so I'll direct you to the ENWorld rules. We maintain a policy of civility here. Please respect that.

The Rules: http://www.enworld.org/faq.php?faq=faq_rules

- Xath

Funny all the moderation that's having to be done with new posters coming on to talk about industry-related subjects.

joe b.

 

[rkwoodard]

orcus and monte

I'm sure one day I will.

Though I guess your post reminds of 2nd grade: "If you love him so much, why dont you kiss him!" I'm not sure how it follows that because I respect Monte I should leave the industry. But hey, one man's logic is another mans... well, I dont know what that is.

I'm not sure why I am even responding to this post... Its the end of the day on Friday. That must be it.

Clark

ORCUS and MONTE sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G, first comes love then comes......

On an unrelated note, 31 starting NFL quarterbacks have retired citing there admiration of Brett Farve as reason. More at 11.

RK

PS Clark. Over the past few days your energy and excite about gaming has made me pull out the Necro products i own and re-read them. Whatever you produce for 4ed, Whenever you are able to get it out, I am a firm dedicated customer. Thank You.

 

[BryonD]

And it has for 4e, especially after the recent round of demos.

You are clearly not paying attention to all of the data.

It hasn't.

But I don't have to rely on my memory. I can look at pre-order for 4e, for example, and determine the level of acceptance of the new edition. Hmmmn. The core rulebook set is #78 on Amazon.com. Or we can look at polls here and elsewhere. For example, one on RPGnet asks folks which they're more excited about, 4e or Pathfinder. Out of 280 respondents, 189 say they're excited more for 4e. An additional 15 say they're excited about both.

Sure, you'd like to believe that people hate 4e like you do, but that just isn't the case.

Who said I "hate" 4e? Seems you are consistent in your poor extrapolation of conclusions from insufficient data.

And I never remotely claimed that PF would be more popular than 4E. I claimed that 4E had less enthusiam than 3E. In your cherry picked example, over 1/4 of the respondents are choosing a 3rd party version of the old game. I really doubt that WotC would be thrilled to think that they will lose 25% of their audience out of the gate. (Not that I think they will lose that many, but it was your example).

Are you going to try to tell me that 25% of the 2E players said they were staying 2 months before 3E came out? I was playing some RPGA at the time and active on message boards as well. It wasn't 2.5% by this point.

Aren't you just contradicting yourself now? You said people were upset with 3e when it was announced, but steadily grew less concerned. If they were as hungry as you say for a new game, why push back so hard against a new edition?

Uh, huh???? My whole point was that it was a very small fraction of people that were upset.
Small numbers then: much less small now. significant difference.

 

[Voadam]

For two reason. One, I didn't read the articles in question. I only noted that they weren't, in fact, written in reponse to the current brew-ha-ha. Two, not having read is opinion, I wasn't attempting to address it.



Thing is, I don't believe. As I said before, I don't know you and have no reason to believe you. That's why the blog in question being over two years old matters. I don't need to believe what you're telling me to see if a date is recent or not.



Really? One hundred percent? Everything is correct? Or are you overstating the case again?

Seanchai

It looked like you were trying to address it, that you were trying to discredit reference to Monte's opinions by saying they were not made after the current events.

They were not written in response to the current events, but they do predict and address the issues which have been building since 2000 or so and present a view that contradicts Chris Pramas'. Reading the articles you were commenting on would have informed you of that.

It does look like his predictions have been 100% correct here. But I'm not sure why you are asking when you have stated you don't believe, and you could verify for yourself if you actually want to know by reading it over.

I believe you that the post is over 2 years old, but I'm not sure where you see the date. Clicking on the link I didn't see one on the page at all. Even clicking around a little I haven't seen anything to indicate the date

 

[catsclaw]

I dont approve of people passing of an old post as a new though (seemingly in reaction to current events, which it isnt).

I didn't. At least, I didn't intend to. I just remembered Monte's opinion from when I first read it back in October, and thought it was relevant to the discussion.

Ironically enough, I looked for a posting date so I could mention it, and if I had found one I would have. As far as I can tell, there's no indication of when it was published on that page. I knew it wasn't recent, but beyond that all I knew for sure was that it was post-3.5 publication and pre-4e announcement.

I assumed the fact that he didn't mention the GSL or the January conference call on the OGL would have tipped people off. Was anyone actually misled into thinking it was published in the last couple weeks?

 

[dmccoy1693]

<Narrows eyes and purses lips.>

Like... this.

Oddly enough, I was thinking of making a similar comment.

 

[Orcus]

I didn't. At least, I didn't intend to. I just remembered Monte's opinion from when I first read it back in October, and thought it was relevant to the discussion.

Ironically enough, I looked for a posting date so I could mention it, and if I had found one I would have. As far as I can tell, there's no indication of when it was published on that page. I knew it wasn't recent, but beyond that all I knew for sure was that it was post-3.5 publication and pre-4e announcement.

I assumed the fact that he didn't mention the GSL or the January conference call on the OGL would have tipped people off. Was anyone actually misled into thinking it was published in the last couple weeks?

I wasnt saying you were trying to do that. I was simply trying to empathize with seachai that it is annoying when things liek that do happen (not suggesting you were actually doing that). I for one was not "misled" since I remember when Monte wrote that. I dont want to speak for others but I would be surprised if anyone actually felt that you were trying to trick people into saying it was a current post. All you said is Monte disagreed. I guess the hang up is "disagreed", as that implies a response. But Monte's position is different from Pramas'.