Primal Power Excerpt - Stonefire Rager

[Kishin]

Actually, the problem is that this more modern, flashier stuff just doesn't appeal to everyone who plays D&D. And this shouldn't be a problem for anyone, because playing a more tolkien-esque, low magic, story based game is a perfectly valid way to play the game, (and has been since the games inception), as well as a million other styles--some of which just aren't compatible with a pc having with molten rock arms.

This is perfectly valid and sensible. However, the use of videogame as a perjorative adjective in describing something related to tabletop gaming (And let us be honest, people who use it in such a fashion are aiming to be perjorative) is a bit presumptuous and judgmental, IMO.

 

[Squizzle]

tolkien-esque, low magic

 

[Phaezen]

two weapon means one handed weapons.
One handed weapons means SMALL HALFLING BARBARIANS!

Such as the duel scimitar wielding drow halfling barbarian in the World Wide Game Day

 

[avin]

On the one hand, you say that you wouldn't allow it due to flavor concerns, but on the other hand you say you allow everything else from the Character Builder. Are you saying that magma dwarves is the only character option that somehow violates your campaign sensibilities?

We have different tastes. If you like that paragon path, good, excellent, I don't like the idea of barbarians who look like a mix of Ben and Johnny Storm. That's it. It seems that you want to put my "sensibilities" in check just because they are different from yours... =/

I don't mean to rag on you for your preferences, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with not liking the idea of a magma dwarf. Denying your players the ability to make use of it does seem a little off, though.

I call my friends to play in my house. Bought hundreds of miniatures for using with them. Buy the books. Subscribe to DDI. Buy the tiles. Print their sheets.

If something goes against the spirit of the campaign and spoils my part of the gaming fun I'll explain my motives to the players.

Since my first 4E game started the only thing I had to ask, for a more munchkin friend, is that I wouldn't allow a bugbear using a large weapon. By that time the nerf hammer had hit minotaurs and Wotc said that this was something made for npcs to use.

The molten core barbarian would be the second "no go". Some people forbid tieflings and dragonborn... compared to that kill a paragon path is not so horrible.

And the player has ALWAYS the opportunity to refluff if he likes the mechanics.

However, I would never have compared it to Magmaman (seriously, Avin, Magmaman? I'm looking at that picture and I'm not even sure how you get that)

You want to say that I made up that example just to piss off the people who like the paragon path? Come on, Allister... if I wanted to piss 4E fans (nonsense, I'm a 4E fan myself) Ragnarons or some other World of Warcraft (also a Wow player) mob would be the perfect choice.

I love Megaman. Megaman III is my all time favorite video game. I had already killed 4 bosses, including Gemini, when I found Rush (the dog). A game where Start and Select do tricks? Fantastic! Do you know what is like to get to Gemini without Rush?

It's a MAGMA dwarf, dude, and that was Magma Man. Maybe you're limiting to image association to artwork, I'm thinking about essence.

I don't even know why this is so polemic.

 

[avin]

This is perfectly valid and sensible. However, the use of videogame as a perjorative adjective in describing something related to tabletop gaming (And let us be honest, people who use it in such a fashion are aiming to be perjorative) is a bit presumptuous and judgmental, IMO.

My original point could be translated into: "I love videogames but not D&D artwork which, for some weird reason, reminds me of videogames or super heroes and I know it's going to be used as pejorative for some people, wotc could avoid that using a more neutral approach on art".

 

[AllisterH]

Sorry avin, I don't mean to pick on you....

It's just that I think a lot of us are looking at the barbarian picture, look at your MagmaMan picture and then go..."????"

I honestly cant see the resemblance....

I mean, when people put up pictures of Alphonse

and then shout "WARFORGED", I can see the resemblance and I can understand where there coming from...

To me anyway, the art kind of looks way closer to mediocre comic book art.

 

[Dannager]

We have different tastes. If you like that paragon path, good, excellent, I don't like the idea of barbarians who look like a mix of Ben and Johnny Storm. That's it. It seems that you want to put my "sensibilities" in check just because they are different from yours... =/

No, not at all. To be honest, a magma dwarf isn't really in line with my sensibilities either.

But I am a little bit taken aback that of the nearly 300 paragon paths out there, the only one you've seen that violates the sensibilities of your campaign so badly you want to ban it is...a dwarf with skin like molten rock? It just strikes me as odd.

 

[fba827]

eh, let's leave avin alone.

He stated his opinion and now more than half of this thread has been devoted to his opinion-based comments. He may or may not eventually decide to allow it based on the circumstance of the given campaign and the player in question, and he may/may not do the same with other PPs, we don't know, and it's his right to do so if it's appropriate for his group.

Do I love/hate the previewed PP? I'm personally indifferent to it.
Do I love/hate the previewed graphic? It's alright - it got the point across and gave a visual to match the flavor of the PP it's associated with.
Do I see the graphic's resemblence to magmaman? no, and I still don't see any remote similarities, but different things trigger different associations in different people. so, whatever.

In any case, I wonder what the other previews will be.

If it's anything like the Divine Power previews, there will be one preview for each class (either a PP or the flavor of a new build for an exsisting class: so still a shaman-related preview, a druid-related preview, and a warden-related preview), as well as a couple previews related to some new mechanic/item/etc in the book.

 

[Phaezen]

It might be the Dwarf fanboy in me, but the idea of a Dwarf or Goliath channeling the spirit of his mountain home and transforming into rock and magma when he rages is appealing.

Also fits nicely with the fluff for the 4e barbarian class.

 

[Nymrohd]

Stonefire rager looks like a Bleach arrancar. I can see the anime angle.