(Proposal) Learner Prestige Class

[GnomeWorks]

Pyrex - how would instantaneous for the duration of rejuvenation work? I think that keeping it at 1 round/level, and if you die in that period, you come back, would work out fine.

Also, I like the 'come back as a ghost' thing. I don't know if I like it, personally (since if it was 9th, it's similar enough to other raising spells of that level), but I can understand why you would do that, from a mechanics standpoint.

 

[Pyrex]

The idea is that once you've cast it on yourself once, that's it. You're done. When you die, you get to try and come back as a ghost. You've learned the "trick" to it. The difficulty in witnessing it combined with using up one of your "spells known" slots seems enough to me.

Ghosts don't know how to come back as corporeal creatures. They know how to come back as ghosts.

Especially if the user comes back as a ghost this doesn't need to be 9th. That's why I listed it as 6th.

 

[Pyrex]

Whirlwind & Vortex:
As these grant a fly speed and a large number of defensive bonuses as well as polymorphing the caster they shoud probably progress as 3/4/5/7

Formian Worker:
Unless you plan to keep the multiple-caster requirement, the level should go up.

Formain Queen:
Telepathy is way better than 2nd level. As it's comparable to Telepathic Bond I'd make it 5th.

Frost Worm:
Trill is somewhat better than Mass Hold Person. Way better than 2nd level. Given that technically the caster has to save against it I might only make it 4th though.

 

[GnomeWorks]

Pyrex - your argument for the rejuvenation thing sounds alright to me... except for one thing.

Coming back as a ghost makes a character quite a bit more powerful. The CR adjustment when adding the template is +2... that's quite a jump in power for a 6th level spell. Also, we should figure out how many special abilities the learner gets... I'd say 1d3, but I don't know if we want to set it at 1 to make the power discrepancy not so bad. Also, the whole perma-d12 HD thing is rather powerful... so I don't know if we'd want to keep it 6th. I'd say 8th, probably...

 

[Erekose13]

Whirlwind & Vortex: 3/4/5/7

Formian Worker: the level should go up.

Formain Queen: I'd make it 5th.

Frost Worm:4th though.

Pyrex, having reviewed the entries I agree completely. This is why I said having to go over everyone elses stuff was a good idea, cause I knew that I had made mistakes.

Rejuvenation - I say drop it completely, its too complicated.
Formian Worker - I say they cant learn it cause it requires a group.

 

[Pyrex]

It's worse than CR+2, it's LA+5. The d12 hd is partly balanced against loosing your Con mod. Also keep in mind that even once you've cast the spell you're not guaranteed to come back, you still have to succeed at the level check. 8th works for me though.

Formian worker: Well, if you had a whole bunch of blue mages...

 

[Erekose13]

It's worse than CR+2, it's LA+5. The d12 hd is partly balanced against loosing your Con mod. Also keep in mind that even once you've cast the spell you're not guaranteed to come back, you still have to succeed at the level check. 8th works for me though.

I dont think that any spell should give you +5 levels, which is what a spell would do that granted the Ghost template. The only way I think that this spell works is as a Resurrection type spell that brings you back as is or -1 level.

Formian worker: Well, if you had a whole bunch of blue mages...

Hehe that would work. I dont think any player would want to take it then, but sure I guess we can leave it in as long as it requires the other practicioners.

Im curious about something this brings up. Can Blue Mages only learn spells from creatures or can they learn them from other Blue Mages?

 

[GnomeWorks]

Erekose13
Im curious about something this brings up. Can Blue Mages only learn spells from creatures or can they learn them from other Blue Mages?

Hmm...

I don't know. It would make sense if they could, since otherwise learners would have to train new learners by taking them out into the wilderness where they could learn blue spells, which could be very dangerous (but, of course, being a learner in general is dangerous anyway).

Also, since the learner is successfully imitating the monster's ability (otherwise he wouldn't be able to cast the blue spell), if a learner can imitate him, then he should be able to cast the spell, as well... there isn't anything particularly mystical about learning it directly from the creature, there's no real interaction there, so it should work whether from a learner or from a monster.

So, short answer: yes.

 

[GnomeWorks]

I'll work on N-Z tonight and tomorrow, so it should be up around this time tomorrow.

CS - how are the dragons coming, or have you not had time to work on them?

 

[Creamsteak]

I havn't touched a thing yet.