PS3 600 dollars? Sony is on crack

Arnwyn · Sep 5, 2006

Vigilance said:
But yeah, despite the heat I have taken in this thread for not being a Sony clone and chanting that they will continue to dominate like an automaton,

That's obviously not why you (might have) taken any "heat".

Piratecat · Sep 6, 2006

Gang, please tone down the quantity of snark in this thread. No need to get testy with one another.

TheAuldGrump · Sep 6, 2006

For if your snark be a boojum,
You shall softly, and silently,
Vanish away....

The Auld Grump, in the mood for a Carrol...

DonTadow · Sep 6, 2006

There are a lot of little marketing reasons why no matter how powerful computers are (come on now they've always been more powerful than consoles) is the image factor. The average american is far more comfortable playing video games with a controller and tv than on their computer, even if you had a controller and tv hooked up to them.

The cost of the sony is justified by making it apart of a home entertainment center and not just avideo game system. I dont think they'll sell as many ps3s as they did ps2s but i'd say they'd still control a large portion of the 22+ market.

John Crichton · Sep 6, 2006

Vigilance said:
All the articles I've quoted came from Gamespot more or less, which I find to be a fairly neutral source. They're pro-gaming, but not specifically pro-PS or pro-MS or pro-Nintendo.

This is not true. I will not labor this point. Pro-SystemX doesn't matter. There is conjecture all over the place in the links provided. Go back and read them. Have the people quoted meant anything to you before? Have you heard of all of them?

Perhaps you have. Perhaps not. That is not for me to decide.

Vigilance said:
Everything I read says that Blue Ray is more expensive than HD-DVD, whether it's for movies or games. HD-DVD can use existing DVD manufacturing, but Blue Ray cannot. So it's my understanding that this alone will make them more expensive, and I still think that's the case.

Well and good...

Vigilance said:
I will be HAPPY to be proven wrong.

You are in good hands. The games will be at 360 prices. Worry not.

Vigilance said:
See this is what you continue to miss about me. Because of the thread title maybe, or maybe just defensiveness cause I disagree with you, you have decided that I "hate Sony".

So you ask "what is with the Sony hate".

I bought a Playstation and a PS2 AT LAUNCH.

How the hell is that hate?

Because of your posts. Until recently, your stance is clearly against everything that Sony is currently doing (and still hasn't changed expect to say that you are expecting the worst and hoping for better). If your intensions of impartiality were true there would be posts to counter-articles and arguements both ways. Look at your opinions of the prices of the games- they are decided already and you are assuming the worst with no confirmation. Hence my provocative statement that people with similar opinions believe that the "sky is falling." Your Sony support in the past encourages my statement as you believe the company you have been supporting has abandoned you.

Vigilance said:
I *want* this to be a successful console because the more successful consoles there are out there, the more games there will be. But I also will not sit by and say nothing when I see Sony making mistakes.

Assumed mistakes are one thing. Killing Sony for every mistep, real or not, is another. I only ask for objectivity and to respect history a bit. Doesn't mean that the same thing that happened last gen will happen this time around but then again, don't we all want more selection on all the consoles?

A challenger to Sony is a good thing. Who is on top doesn't matter. It does matter that the company is still fully behind the PS3 and that games are on tap for it in a big way. Many different companies are producing games for it, hard to program for or not. It's an expensive machine at launch. Imagine that it were $100 cheaper and then think of the games. It's a different view. An extra $100 investment isn't really that much these days for the dedicated gamer. It's 2 games. Or one game and a controller. A price the HD folks are more than willing to pay at launch.

Vigilance said:
And I think charging 100 dollars more for what is essentially the same product, IS a mistake.

It's only a mistake if the price stays there for more than a year and the system doesn't sell. Otherwise, that's just an opinion.

Vigilance said:
You think I like Microsoft? Not particularly. But if the console is less expensive for a comparable product, I'll buy it. I never considered buying an X-box. Customers like me, who have been pushed to consider the competition by Sony's current strategy, are a loss to the company.

So be it. Buy the games you like. Vote with your dollar. That's really the only way. I've already given my $400 to MS. The same will happen with the PS3. Maybe not at launch but eventually. It will have games that I want.

Vigilance said:
Good for them. That big price drop had better bring it in line with X-box or I will be buying an X-box.

See how that works? I'm going to SHOP AROUND, LOOK AT COMPETING PRODUCTS and then DECIDE.

No need to shout. I assume that everyone does the same thing. If the 360 is what appeals to you most than you most certainly should get one before the PS3. To do otherwise would be wrong.

Vigilance said:
I'm not sure how using my head as a consumer means that I "hate Sony" as you allege.

As for the "hate": It was hate towards Sony, not that anyone hated Sony. Please don't take it personally. It's just the tone of your posts that is contradictory. You seem intent on being core audience for a price point and feature set that doesn't apply to you for a launch system with games that aren't must haves. I'm just saying to chill, wait for a better price and good games to play and then decide. Forget the "industry experts" and "guys from company X" who say this and that. You seem like a reasonable dude who will decide on what's out there. But the majority of your posts speak otherwise.

Vigilance said:
So you finally admit that their launch lineup doesn't look that good. Why do you "hate Sony" so much John?

It's no secret that the PS3 launch lineup has no killer titles. If I have said otherwise somewhere then quote me up and call me wrong. Launch games are typically not that good. It's why I usually hold off. I may make exception for a cheap BR player on the PS3 but that's just the tech-geek talking, not the gamer.

Vigilance said:
And think about WHY their launch lineup might not be as good this time around. Could it be that they have made a mistake or two by overpricing the console?

I have and it doesn't matter. There hasn't been a must have launch game for any system since the Dreamcast. There have been good ones for genre fans (for example, FPS on the 360) but no must haves.

Vigilance said:
And yeah I hate Blue Ray "sight unseen" because it is just another copy protection scheme and another grab to get everyone to upgrade to the new thing and ditch their DVDs. I know a company flexing its muscle when I see it. Again, I shop, I read, call me funny that way.

You're funny that way. And you're right. BR & HD-DVD have nothing to do with higher quality video that is able to be displayed on the right output source that is becoming more and more popular and affordable every year.

EDIT: Apologies to mods for the snark there. But as as someone who pays attention to these things, ignorance of trends and what tech actually does bugs me a bit.

Vigilance said:
I have much bigger problems with MS business practices than Sony and was a launch customer for the PS2 and the PS. The fact that I am so annoyed with what's going on right now should be a concern to them, but maybe I'm in the minority and maybe people WILL pay 100 dollars more for what is essentially the same console on the strength of the PS brand.

Dang, man! The people buying the PS3 at launch are simply the early adopters and tech-freaks who want/need the latest and greatest. It would be silly for the gamer who isn't into HD to get one at launch. The price is too high and none of the games seem worth it, just like everything from the 360 this gen and all the systems from last gen (except the DC which had a respectable lineup and the 360 if you are a FPS fan). Price drops need to happen and they will. Unless people keep buying it at the premium price. Which no one sees happening.

No need to prognosticate $90 game prices and the like until you see 'em. Just watch the bleh launch games pass by and wait for the good stuff in 6-10 months. Like every new system these days.

Vigilance · Sep 6, 2006

John Crichton said:
It's no secret that the PS3 launch lineup has no killer titles. If I have said otherwise somewhere then quote me up and call me wrong. Launch games are typically not that good. It's why I usually hold off. I may make exception for a cheap BR player on the PS3 but that's just the tech-geek talking, not the gamer.

As to the games, maybe I'm becoming a grognard, but the launch games for the Wii have interested me the most.

The one game that has really wowed me so far on the 360 and PS3 has been Assassin's Creed. If I wasn't intrigued by about 5 Wii games, that one might get me on board with a X-box 360.

And yes, right now I probably would go with a 360 over a PS3 because of X-Box Live arcade. I have been playing a lot of old titles like Joust and Time Patrol on Gametap, and being able to do that on my TV would be preferable.

Of course, it looks like Wii will also have some online type stuff where I can get old Nintendo games (and something tells me ports from other systems might follow).

So right now, Id be looking at paying about 1500 bucks to play Assassin's Creed lol.

Not tempting enough. Notice I didnt say not tempting at all

Chuck

TwistedBishop · Sep 6, 2006

So this is what it sounds like....when doves cry.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/06/north-american-japanese-ps3-launch-limited-to-500-000-units/

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/06/european-launch-of-playstation-3-delayed-until-march-2007/

drothgery · Sep 6, 2006

(PS3 "woldwide" launch scaled back to US, Canada, and Japan; other regions delayed until March 2007; launch volume projections cut in half.)

TwistedBishop said:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/06/north-american-japanese-ps3-launch-limited-to-500-000-units/

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/06/european-launch-of-playstation-3-delayed-until-march-2007/

Well, that (or something similar) had to be expected. There were way too many reports of PS3 manufacturing issues for them all to be bogus.

FWIW, I think console games are pretty much stuck at $50, unless demand is really high for a specific game. Attempts to break past that price point have never been sustainable.