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[Psion]

Psion: You have evidence that that is NOT what they intend to do? What about the next exec in charge? The next owner? Waht about if control changes to a group that sees this as a means to get rid of something they hate, such as the 700 club?[/b]

As I have repeatedly spelled out before, but you keep ignoring, if any of these things happen, they could yank or mangle the license at any time anyway.

Nobody can predict the futire,

You seem to think you can.

only foresee trends and dangers. That is a simple matter of experience and deduction.

Absolutely. We can use deduction base on
1) their motives: WotC relies on third party publishers to print stuff supporting the d20 line that is not profitable for them to publish. WotC has nothing to gain by maliciously yanking licenses.

2) their past behavior: When wotc did not include many creatures in the final SRD, people were all paranoid that they were going to have to can projects. What happened? Every one of those projects was given the go ahead.

Neither one of these bear your paranoia out. So don't sit here and tell me your "kneejerk reaction" method is somehow "experience and deduction." Because it is not.

I see a very REAL possibility of damger to my company and my hobby if I continue with the d20 STL.

Sure there is. And I have said as much. But there is a difference between cautiously approaching and considering the possibility and going into an outright panic and declaring war on WotC.

 

[Strutinan]

Wulf Ratbane and jaerdaph: <sarcasm> Now THAT is maturity at it's best. </sarcasm> I state my views and opinions, and am told I need to be on medication. Very nice

Psion: Actually, long ago I posted that I was worried over the mutability of the license. I was told by severl industry leaders not to worry, and to seek the advice of a lawyer if I had any concearns. I did. His advice was that the "breach and cure" portion of the license could protect me for 30 days if another version of the license came out that could be used to target me directly, like the current version.

In 26 days, no product produced by my company will bear the d20 logo.

As far as previous experience and predictions goes, we'll leave your little about-face derrogatory "evidently you can" remark out of this. What YOU have experienced with WotC/Hasbro is different that what I have experienced. My expereinces cause me to place allot of trust in the company. I trust them to act in a dispicable and underhanded manner whenever they can get away with it. Of course that is my OPINION.

<sigh> Take a look at the role-call will you? Ryan dancey, Anthony Valtera, ect are no longer a part of the company. Everybody who was involved in the creation of the original OGL and d20 STL, as well as the philosphy behind them, is gone.

Now WotC is controlled by Hasbro, a styereotypicl "big business" company, with al that entails. Do you HONESLTY not think that they see D&D as anything other than another form of Barbie doll? Rememebr what happened to "Nancy" (or whatever her name was) dolls from back in the day?

<History Lesson> back when barbie was gaining popularity, another company put out a competing product doll (I think it was called "Nancy"). Hasbro pulled a legal snatch-and-burn and now who the heck remembers "Nancy"?</History Lesson> Yes, I know this shows I'm an "old fogey"

The point is that the same folks, and corporate culture, that has made a practice of attacking competition is now the group responsible for "good behavior" with the new d20STL. This is a CORPORATION we are talking about here! They are niether better nor worse than any other corporation (blatant CYOA statement). I trust them to act in the same manner as they have in the past. I can either sit idly by and "take it", or I can TRY to DO SOMETHING about it! I have never been one to just sit and wait for bad news...

 

[jaerdaph]

Wulf Ratbane and jaerdaph: <sarcasm> Now THAT is maturity at it's best. </sarcasm> I state my views and opinions, and am told I need to be on medication. Very nice

Speaking of immaturity, I especially enjoyed your "corporations are evil" rant here and on the WotC boards. The boycott is a nice touch too.

And I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[Strutinan]

Note: all of this leaves out that concepts like absolute "evil" and "good" are not existant in the world we live in, a world of middle-places and motivations.

Corporations are not "evil", to be evil you have to have the will to do not-nice things, and corproations are conglomerate entities without an independant will.

However, the same holds tru for "good", you still need the indepentandt will to be so.

As a conglomerate entity, corporations are best categorized as "amoral". They tend to act in a manner best suited to the corporation's immediate goals and concearns. INDIVIDUALS might be "evil" or "good", but the group-process invovled in corporate decisions tends towards expediency rather than morality.

Do not confuse a Corporation (large conglomeration of individuals overseen by the dicisions of a board of directors as filtered through layers of middle management), with a Company (a large collection of individuals working towars common goals at the direction of a form of leadership, for monetary gain). Whiel a Corporation IS a Company, a Company is not necessarrilly a Corporation. And a Company can often be directed by a single individual's will, which the becomes the will of the Company and can be classified as "evil" or "good" if you like.

All of which is a gross oversimplifiaction, and not part of this topic. So can we let it die now?

 

[jaerdaph]

Just one more thing: If you're going to call yourself a publisher, you really should learn how to put together a sentence correctly. Spell checking would be nice as well. And don't give me that "this is just a message board" nonsense either. Your customers have said in more than one review that you don't even bother to spell check what you publish.

Since you are so concerned about maturity, you should know that your writing makes you look like a 12 year old.

I'll let your opinions speak for themselves.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Just a request for publishers who are deciding between going OGL or altering their material to comply with the new d20 logo's license sex, violence, or prejudice requirements.

Please go OGL.

And from the other side of the fence, just a request for publishers to stick with d20. It's hard enough to get my group to pick up products that have the logo and all that it means.

 

[Henry]

Ladies and Gentlemen, let's please refrain from impugning one another's ethics.

That goes for the WotC suppositions just as much as attacks on each other's maturity.

 

[Orcus]

Morrus, please close this. I remember this guy.

People, dont feed this guy's ego by baiting him or replying to him. He acts like some insider with a clue but he has none. Please just ignore this "guy" [edited from "fool"].

Clark

 

[Brown Jenkin]

Morrus, please close this. I remember this guy.

People, dont feed this guy's ego by baiting him or replying to him. He acts like some insider with a clue but he has none. Please just ignore this fool.

Clark

If this thread gets closed I hope it is solely because of personal flames not because of who he is or opinions he may have. Certainly Clark you can call him out and warn others but this thread should not be closed based on his opinions which are less trollish than many others that I have seen and been alowed to remain open.

 

[Orcus]

Brown, I have to agree with that. It is certainly less trollish. You have me there. You are right; I am wrong. Other more offensive threads have been left open. I rescind my call for closure but repeat my warning not to bait him please.

Clark