Question about the "Landlord" feat from SBG

SpuneDagr

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I don't really understand this feat... Is it basically saying that, as long as I have the money to back it up, my stronghold is free???

This feat gives you a small allowance that you can use to build or expand a stronghold. It's not cash, so it only applies to stronghold purchases. (You can't cash it out and spend it on something else).
In addition, the feat provides matching funds for expenditures made from your own purse of gold. For example, if you spend 50,000 gp of your own (beyond the allowance) to purchase stronghold components, the feat provids a bonus allowance of the same amount.
 

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it represents someone IE a ruler or patron backing your charachter to set up a strong hold...basically it just eases the pain of the extreme cost of most of the components presented in the book
 

This sounds like an exceptional example of what should NOT be a feat, but something gained through RP.

Why should a character / player be able to simply decide that they will "spend" their feat on gaining a patron like this??

nonsense, nonsense i tell you!
 

MonkeyBoy said:
This sounds like an exceptional example of what should NOT be a feat, but something gained through RP.

Why should a character / player be able to simply decide that they will "spend" their feat on gaining a patron like this??

nonsense, nonsense i tell you!
Leadership is another good example of what should be gained through RP rather than by spending a Feat.
Of course, gaining henchmen as a class benefit is probably one of the "sacred cows" from previous edition, so it figures that they made it available... :cool:
 

MonkeyBoy said:
This sounds like an exceptional example of what should NOT be a feat, but something gained through RP.

Why should a character / player be able to simply decide that they will "spend" their feat on gaining a patron like this??

You mean you don't make your players justify feat/skill/level choices through RP?

J
 

Actually, I was looking for someone else who has the book to help verify the mechanics of it... The way it's written right now seems like potential errata fodder to me.
 

Let's use some numbers.

A 9th lvl character with the Landlord feat automatically gets 25,000 gp to "spend" on his stronghold. In addition, any money he cares to spend on that stronghold is matched on a 1:1 basis.

As the character levels, he gains additional funds to improve his stronghold, as described in the second column of the same name.
 

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Alejandro said:
Let's use some numbers.

A 9th lvl character with the Landlord feat automatically gets 25,000 gp to "spend" on his stronghold. In addition, any money he cares to spend on that stronghold is matched on a 1:1 basis.

As the character levels, he gains additional funds to improve his stronghold, as described in the second column of the same name.

Perhaps I read it wrong, but that's not what I read... I was under the impression that a character gets nothing up front. Instead, he receives 1:1 matching - and ONLY up to the listed limit.

IOW, a 9th level character with the Landlord Feat "doubles" ONLY the first 25,000 gp of his OWN money he spends.

EX 1.) If he spends 10,000 gp, he gets a 10,000 gp "match" for a total of 20,000 gp.

EX 2.) If he spends 40,000 gp, only the first 25,000 is matched, for a total of 65,000 gp.

When he goes up in level, the maximum amount that will be matched increases... but previous expenditures are not matched later. Let us assume the character levels to 10th level (now can have up to 50,000 gp matched), and return to the previous examples.

EX 1.) The character spends another 30,000 gp out of his own pocket. His limit is 50,000 gp in matching; he already used 10,000 gp (at 9th level), so he has 40,000 gp of "matching" left. Thus, his 30,000 gp is matched, so he gets an additional 30,000 gp to spend. He has spent 30,000 gp out of his own pocket, and the total value spent on his stronghold is 60,000 gp.

EX 2.) The character spent 40,000 gp already and only saw the first 25,000 matched, but it doesn't matter. He doesn't get a match based retroactively on money he's already spent. (IOW, he doesn't get 15,000 gp free at 10th level just because he spent 40,000 gp at 9th level). He won't get more until he spends more. The character spends another 30,000 gp out of his own pocket. His limit is now 50,000 gp in matching; he already used 25,000 gp (at 9th level), so he has 25,000 gp of "matching" left. Thus, his first 25,000 gp is matched and he gets an additional 25,000 gp. The extra 5,000 he spent is NOT matched. He has spent 70,000 gp out of his own pocket, but only 50,000 gp of this has been matched; his total value spent on his stronghold is 120,000 gp.

Hope that made sense and makes the Feat seem a little less broken... the character gets NOTHING for free... and has an upper limit on the 1:1 matching.

For those in the US, think of it like 401(k) matching at work - you get, say 100% matching on the first 4% you contribute to your 401(k), but if you contribute 6% you get nothing on the "extra" 2%.

--The Sigil
 
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Like Leadership, this feat is pretty Epic in scope. The book's numeric example is actually in the (sixth?) paragraph above Note:

For example, if you take the Landlord feat at 9th level, you get 25,000 gp to spend on a stronghold. When you attain 10th level, you receive an additional 25,000 gp to spend on your stronghold. Characters can save their allowance from level to level if they wish.
 

hmmm - so this thing provides matching funds once for stronghold building once you take it... at the rate of 25 grand a level?

Yep - DEFINITELY something gained thru role playing. Also - who uses a conventional stronghold in the course of an adventure? Unless you are in a Naval Campaign - and the stronghold can MOVE - I fail to see the point.

Henchmen are a whole lot more useful than a stronghold - regardless of how much money you put into the stronghold - it doesn't move like you do.
 

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