Pielorinho, I don't think that's quite correct. If you want to command an undead that exceeds half your level, you cannot be commanding anything else at the same time. The only time your commanded HD can exceed your own level is when you're commanding a single undead more powerful than yourself.
Question about Turning and Commanding
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Pielorinho
Iron Fist of Pelor
AuraSeer said:
Dang, you're right! And it looked so simple and elegant, too.
Caliban, I'm not sure I see where you're getting the reference to the "create undead" spells here. Are you trying to resolve an apparent contradiction in the rules by speculating about something they left out, or do you see no contradiction, and are looking at something I'm not looking at?
Daniel
candidus_cogitens
Explorer
AuraSeer said:
AuraSeer, thanks for joining the discussion. I wonder if you have any more insights about how you determine whether you SUCCEED at commanding an undead more powerful than yourself. We know it can be done, because it says so, but we don't know HOW!
DreamChaser
Explorer
the two statements are completely contradictory. One says that you can command an undead creature with more hit dice than you have levels the other says you can only command undead with 1/2 or less of your level in hit dice.
I do not see any way of resolving these two statements. One of them must be false. I would tend to rule on the side of caution and equality.
A good aligned cleric cannot concentrated extra-hard to destroy an undead creature with more than half his level in hit dice so an evil cleric should not be able to exceed the HD limitation for commanding, especially since commanding is a potentially more powerful ability than destroying.
There are numerous errors throughout the books. I think this is one of them. That is why you cannot find a mechanic for it. It is not supposed to work.
Just my thoughts.
DC
I do not see any way of resolving these two statements. One of them must be false. I would tend to rule on the side of caution and equality.
A good aligned cleric cannot concentrated extra-hard to destroy an undead creature with more than half his level in hit dice so an evil cleric should not be able to exceed the HD limitation for commanding, especially since commanding is a potentially more powerful ability than destroying.
There are numerous errors throughout the books. I think this is one of them. That is why you cannot find a mechanic for it. It is not supposed to work.
Just my thoughts.
DC
candidus_cogitens
Explorer
Ki Ryn said:
I think that was Dreamchaser's point exactly. (I'm assuming that your comment is directed to him). It did not seem to me that he was condemning the writers for their error. In fact, I did not even hear much frustration in his remarks, although in my opinion, a well-tempered expression of frustration would be appropriate.
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DreamChaser
Explorer
sorry if I sounded overly critical. I meant my post as a statement of opinion not a condemnation of anyone.
I can't manage to write a PrC description without managing to contradict myself half a dozen times. I use my editors heavily.
DC
I can't manage to write a PrC description without managing to contradict myself half a dozen times. I use my editors heavily.
DC
pingpong
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according to PHB errata:
Page 140, column 1, Commanded: delete second paragraph (starts with Alternatively)
i saw that in the PHB and wondered the same thing, how can a cleric command up to twice his level in HD of undead, when he has to have twice as many levels as the undead has HD...
according to PHB errata:
Page 140, column 1, Commanded: delete second paragraph (starts with Alternatively)
i saw that in the PHB and wondered the same thing, how can a cleric command up to twice his level in HD of undead, when he has to have twice as many levels as the undead has HD...
dkilgo
First Post
Thanks for the insight, guys. All of these posts were informative.
I just have one question.
I have a player that is playing a nuetral cleric, and she wants to animate dead. I don't have a problem with her animating dead, but would that have anything to do with the rebuke/command aspect of clerics?
Edit: Oh, she also wants to still be able to cast curative spells. I would allow this since animate dead is just a spell, and not her rebuke/command ability.
I just have one question.
I have a player that is playing a nuetral cleric, and she wants to animate dead. I don't have a problem with her animating dead, but would that have anything to do with the rebuke/command aspect of clerics?
Edit: Oh, she also wants to still be able to cast curative spells. I would allow this since animate dead is just a spell, and not her rebuke/command ability.
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