Question regarding Lasher PrC

[Acmite]

Does Rapid Shot stack with Crack of Fate and Crack of Doom? As far as I can tell it does.........

I would then assume that using Crack of Doom and Rapid Shot would result in three additional attacks with all attacks (including normal ones granted by BAB) with a -6 penalty.

And, that means that a Ranger using a whip in his off-hand would have 4 additional attacks, with all attacks at -8 (since Whip is a small weapon).

Is this all correct?

 

[reapersaurus]

A Ranger's 2-Weapon Fighting can't be used with a ranged weapon, which is what a whip is.

Otherwise, yes, it stacks with Rapid Shot.

 

[Acmite]

Reference please?

Ummm...where are you getting that from? My PHB and the SRD say: When wearing light armor or no armor, a ranger can fight with two weapons as if he or she had the feats Ambidexterity and Two-Weapon Fighting. The ranger loses this special bonus when fighting in medium or heavy armor, or when using a double-headed weapon (such as a double sword).

As far as I can tell, if you have a one-handed ranged weapon, it is usable with a Ranger's 2-weapon fighting. The entry for Ambidexterity and Two-Weapon Fighting do not disagree.

 

[Maniac]

If you check under the entry for Heavy Crossbow (actually Crossbow, Heavy) on Page 100 of the PH it explicitly states that TWF cannot be used with ranged weapons. Ambidexterity does reduce some of the penalties.

M.

 

[Acmite]

If you check under the entry for Heavy Crossbow (actually Crossbow, Heavy) on Page 100 of the PH it explicitly states that TWF cannot be used with ranged weapons. Ambidexterity does reduce some of the penalties.

M.

Grrrr...I double checked this with the DnD FAQ and it appears that this is correct....but the only mention of it that I found in the fAQ was in the Weapon listing reiterating your point above. Why they couldn't mention it in the Two-Weapon Fighting listing I will never understand. And, with all the "remnants" of previous versions that made it through the editing process, I can't help but wonder if maybe the mention under x-bows is incorrect. Has anyone ever got a ruling from the sage specifically about this question? Or have people just taken the misplaced clarification as official ruling? It would seem to me that if this was a feat that only applied to melee weapons they would make a point of mentioning it under the feat listing.

Anyone have any extra info on this?

 

[reapersaurus]

Anyone have any extra info on this?

Not really, other than the fact that it is one of the more-asked questions and clarifications that has been pointed out since 3E came out.

basically, you're not alone with your distaste with WotC for not making it clearer, but it is an accepted rule.

 

[Kaptain_Kantrip]

Does Rapid Shot stack with Crack of Fate and Crack of Doom? As far as I can tell it does.........

I would then assume that using Crack of Doom and Rapid Shot would result in three additional attacks with all attacks (including normal ones granted by BAB) with a -6 penalty.

Is this all correct?

No one answered whether his first question was correct or not, which had nothing to do with the ranger.

So a lasher with rapid shot, crack of fate and crack of doom would get 3 extra attacks (including normal ones granted by BAB) with a -6 penalty?

 

[Mal Malenkirk]

It should be obvious that designers never intended TWF and rapid shot to be used together, no matter what loop you can find in the description of the feats.

Yeah, the TWF description could have used some fine tuning. A mention that it is only meant to be used with melee weapons, for example. But designer's intent is still pretty clear.

 

[Acmite]

It should be obvious that designers never intended TWF and rapid shot to be used together, no matter what loop you can find in the description of the feats...But designer's intent is still pretty clear.

It is not obvious to me that they intended TWF to apply only to melee weapons. It doesn't make any sense to me that when a Fighter (with TWF and Ambi) is fighting with a longsword and a dagger in his off-hand he suffers a -2 to both attcks, but if in the middle of a combat he decides to throw that dagger, he suddenly has stiffer penalties.

I'm not looking for any "loopholes"....I had a genuine question regarding a topic that AFAICT was not addressed in the core rules. But thank you for your condescension and not-so-subtle aspersions on my motives for asking the question.

 

[Acmite]

Great....more contradictions from WotC?

...basically, you're not alone with your distaste with WotC for not making it clearer, but it is an accepted rule.

Check out the newest Powerplay in Dragon (The Worldbuilding issue). It implies to me that TWF and Ambi apply to ranged weapons....which would mean that Rapid Shot should stack. I would have brought this up earlier, but I just read the issue last night.