Quick poll about concentration

Answer this question for the last caster character you played: For your most recent 3 game sessions,

  • I never had to make any, so zero.

    Votes: 9 16.1%
  • 0

    Votes: 11 19.6%
  • 1

    Votes: 13 23.2%
  • 2

    Votes: 6 10.7%
  • 3 or more

    Votes: 17 30.4%

Darkcloud

First Post
If you are not positive, just put your best guess. This will help me answer one half of my overall question about character priorities.

Note: getting the poll function to work as intended was tricky in the past. Hopefully I won't screw it up.

Edit Note: The poll cut off the rest of the question: "Answer this question for the last caster character you played: For your most recent 3 game sessions, how many times did you fail a concentration check?"

Sorry for the confusion. I tried to make sure I had everything right by copying and pasting, but the complete "paste" was cut off.
 
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pming

Legend
Hiya!

I put down 3+, because it happens quite often when I'm DM'ing 5e. However, those 3+ could very well have been in one encounter. Last time I remember calling for one was a caster who was trying to maintain a spell but he was getting buffeted around in a vortex of wind and debris...no damage was occurring (nothing significant...no HP loss, in other words). But, seeing as it was chaotic, he was getting turned upside down and whatnot, things bouncing around/off him (dirt, twigs, etc), and rain...I figured it needed a Concentration check. I think he made all of them and maintained the spell. It was memorable because the Concentration rule really showed it's worth for creating a story/narrative situation that was tied to the game rules directly. It was exciting and unexpected...and the hero came out as a bad ass for maintaining concentration via gritting his teeth and powering through it. It was a cool scene. :)

^_^

Paul L. Ming
 

Darkcloud

First Post
Hiya!

I put down 3+, because it happens quite often when I'm DM'ing 5e.
^_^

Paul L. Ming
I was looking at data for playing a character: "the last caster character you played". When you put down results for the whole party it kinda throws things off.

Lall, I was wondering how many you failed in three game sessions, regardless of the number of checks. Thanks for asking.
 

My current wizard has been lacking his spellbook and focus, as he was introduced as a prisoner, so my spells have been fairly limited. I only have Detect Magic and Flaming Sphere as concentration spells, and I don't have the components for FS.

My previous spellcaster, a Grassland Druid, probably failed about 1 Concentration check every session or so. Druid is odd, because they have a LOT of concentration spells, and they get in the front fairly often. I tried not to have any concentration spells up when in melee, but sometimes needed to anyway. Against a large mob of enemies, I would try to use Moonbeam (my best AoE), but the sheer number of checks would eventually cause a failure. Once I failed one in a combat, I don't like to cast another if I can avoid it.
 
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My current PC is a 9th-level diviner. I haven't failed any in the last three sessions, but he has Con 16, Resilient (Con), and does his best to stay out of the fray.
 

The spell casters that have run in my campaign have tended to take very few concentration spells, one or maybe two - they figure take the most useful since I can only have one no point taking too many. Not really convinced this makes sense as the most useful aren't always useful. However it is up to them.
 

Leatherhead

Possibly a Idiot.
I play a Halfling Lore Bard occasionally.
She almost never gets hit while she has a concentration spell running. That's due to a combination of staying in cover (taller allies make for great meatshields), and using all the Bard things like Cutting Words and Vicious Mockery to her advantage.
 

ccs

41st lv DM
Change my answer from 3+ to zero.
I missed seeing in your post that you were looking for how many times I'd failed.

I had to make several checks each session. I succeeded on all of them.
 

pming

Legend
Hiya!

I was looking at data for playing a character: "the last caster character you played". When you put down results for the whole party it kinda throws things off.
Lall, I was wondering how many you failed in three game sessions, regardless of the number of checks. Thanks for asking.

Don't worry...there was only one caster in the group (Wizard...could have been Sorcerer though...it was about a year ago). So just think of me "voting for him" because he's not on this site anyway. :)

^_^

Paul L. Ming
 

TwoSix

Unserious gamer
For my sorcerer, easily 3-4 a battle, unless I got some lucky positioning. Twin buffing was kind of my schtick, so I almost always had something running to get knocked off.

Edit: Oh, failed the check? Probably about once per session. 14 Con and Con save proficiency means I only failed about 15-20% of the time on low damage checks.
 

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Responding for a front-line paladin who might have Shield of Faith up, but much less then every battle per day. On the other hand - front-liner.

The sorcerer would be zero, but most of the time it's twinned Greater Invis which makes them hard to damage in the first place. Though there's a very memorable time when he lost the twinned haste and two people in the middle of combat suddenly were lethargic and couldn't move or attack for a round.
 

Darkcloud

First Post
So, as of May 19, I have 63 responses to the poll. (Percentages were rounded to whole numbers.)
17 (27%) I haven’t had to make any, so zero
15 (24%) zero failures
11 (17%) one failure
6 (10%) two failures
14 (22%) three or more failures
One of the big mistakes I made was allowing the real question to be cut off of the top of the poll. Consequently, some people originally thought I was asking about the total number of checks, rather than how many were failed. That skews the results high.

Another big mistake I made was only stopping at “3 or more” concentration failures. It would have been easy to add more options for more failures, but I didn’t. If I count “3 or more” as 3, then it skews the results low. Hopefully these two mistakes cancel each other out to some extent.

The reason why I started the poll is that I suspected that many of the character creation guides placed too much emphasis on concentration checks. With about 50% of people not failing a check in three game sessions, it seems that concentration isn’t that big of a problem. There were only 65 failures for 62 people taking the poll; that makes only about one failure per three game sessions.

Although I’m sure some of the people took feats (Warcaster and Resilient Constitution) to improve their odds against concentration checks. That could have caused them no not fail as many checks, and those people could, justifiably, say that concentration was not a big problem because they made choices to mitigate the threat it would normally be.

I found this interesting. I wish I would have crafted the poll better, but it seems like a good starting place.
 

cmad1977

Hero
In my life experience it isn’t about ‘how many’ checks I or my players have failed it’s ‘when’ it happens and what spells are active when it does.
Bless fails: not the worst
Twinned haste fails: big problems.
 

Hussar

Legend
As a player of a Forge Priest, I failed two last session. It happens and it happens pretty frequently. It's not like clerics are proficient in Con saves and a 14 Con means that I fail any concentration check at least 40% of the time.

And, watching the other PC's in our games, I've noticed that our wizard types (whether sorc or wizard) tend to be pretty blaster heavy, so, concentration checks just don't come up that often for them, but, the cleric types (and I'm including paladins in here) have quite a few more concentration spells up, so, they tend to lose them more often.
 

Mercule

Adventurer
I GM, but I can't remember the last time a concentration check came into play. It does a pretty good job of limiting multi-buff scenarios, but the party is also pretty good about keeping their support well defended.
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
So, as of May 19, I have 63 responses to the poll. (Percentages were rounded to whole numbers.)
17 (27%) I haven’t had to make any, so zero
15 (24%) zero failures
11 (17%) one failure
6 (10%) two failures
14 (22%) three or more failures
One of the big mistakes I made was allowing the real question to be cut off of the top of the poll. Consequently, some people originally thought I was asking about the total number of checks, rather than how many were failed. That skews the results high.

Another big mistake I made was only stopping at “3 or more” concentration failures. It would have been easy to add more options for more failures, but I didn’t. If I count “3 or more” as 3, then it skews the results low. Hopefully these two mistakes cancel each other out to some extent.

The reason why I started the poll is that I suspected that many of the character creation guides placed too much emphasis on concentration checks. With about 50% of people not failing a check in three game sessions, it seems that concentration isn’t that big of a problem. There were only 65 failures for 62 people taking the poll; that makes only about one failure per three game sessions.

Although I’m sure some of the people took feats (Warcaster and Resilient Constitution) to improve their odds against concentration checks. That could have caused them no not fail as many checks, and those people could, justifiably, say that concentration was not a big problem because they made choices to mitigate the threat it would normally be.

I found this interesting. I wish I would have crafted the poll better, but it seems like a good starting place.

So you are saying on average a player can expect to lose concentration on at least 1 spell every 3 sessions. However you have no information on what that average PC looks like. Is it a barbarian? An Eldritch Knight Fighter? A Sorcerer? Does the PC have Warcaster? Does the PC have proficiency in con saves? How often does the PC use concentration spells? Does the PC try to stay away from enemies or get near them?

Losing concentration on 1 spell every 3 sessions doesn't sound bad but what if the average PC we are looking at for that is an eldritch knight fighter that uses a bow and has the warcaster feat and only casts about 1 concentration spell per sessions? If this is the PC the poll best represents then what about a lore bard that doesn't use feats or multiclassing. How much more often does he fail concentration checks? What about a War Cleric that uses a two handed weapon and melees and uses all his slots concentration spells? How much more often does he fail concentration checks?

The fact is we don't know what the average PC looks like that fails 1 concentration save every 3 sessions and so any conclusion we try to draw from this data is basically meaningless.
 
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FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
As a player of a Forge Priest, I failed two last session. It happens and it happens pretty frequently. It's not like clerics are proficient in Con saves and a 14 Con means that I fail any concentration check at least 40% of the time.

And, watching the other PC's in our games, I've noticed that our wizard types (whether sorc or wizard) tend to be pretty blaster heavy, so, concentration checks just don't come up that often for them, but, the cleric types (and I'm including paladins in here) have quite a few more concentration spells up, so, they tend to lose them more often.

Add in that clerics are generally melee and many of their best spells eventually are concentration spells and they should be losing concentration a lot more than a wizard standing in the back trying to stay away and using the shield spell when it will turn a hit into a miss.
 

Darkcloud

First Post
So you are saying on average a player can expect to lose concentration on at least 1 spell every 3 sessions. However you have no information on what that average PC looks like. Is it a barbarian? An Eldritch Knight Fighter? A Sorcerer? Does the PC have Warcaster?

The fact is we don't know what the average PC looks like that fails 1 concentration save every 3 sessions and so any conclusion we try to draw from this data is basically meaningless.

The poll specifies "caster character". I didn't think there would be enough information if the poll tried and separate by class and level.
 


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