Quick Question

[kreynolds]

SRD is not complete, the fear part is from the PHB.

I'm looking at it and I don't see that.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I have to agree - my PHB says "bonus to Will saves, but suffers a..."

Darklone's making up rules.

Smurf - I like the concept of continuous saves. Interesting to see how it works in practice.

I can't recall who suggested it, but I like an alternative - if you fail the first save, the spell is in effect for the duration. Each round, you make a save to see if you can move for that round.

Rather than making a save each round to end the spell, which just sucks.

-Hyp.

 

[RJSmalls]

Whoa. Hyp, that's even better. I may have to give that a go when 3.5 kicks in.

 

[MadScientist]

I play a barb and I'm 99% confident that the rage bonus is to will saves in general, even in the PHB. Athough, I don't have my books in front of me.

 

[Viktyr Gehrig]

He is held, thus cannot take any actions (DMG about page 80).

Second: Rage gives no bonus to will save. It gives a bonus to will saves against fear.

Held is on page 84, and specifies that you can take no physical actions. Flying into a rage, manifesting psionic powers, or casting a spell with no V, S, or M component are all allowed.

The Barbarian's Rage ability grants a +2 morale bonus on Will saves, and does not limit the specific kinds of Will save it gives a bonus against.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Held is on page 84, and specifies that you can take no physical actions. Flying into a rage, manifesting psionic powers, or casting a spell with no V, S, or M component are all allowed.

The Barbarian's Rage ability grants a +2 morale bonus on Will saves, and does not limit the specific kinds of Will save it gives a bonus against.

Correct. But it does not allow you to retroactively make saving throws that you've already failed.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

The notion that hold spells will allow a new save every round come from Dragon Mag. They discuss the changes to the 3 H-spells (Haste, Hold Person and Harm) and the P spell (Polymorph).

 

[andargor]

The notion that hold spells will allow a new save every round come from Dragon Mag. They discuss the changes to the 3 H-spells (Haste, Hold Person and Harm) and the P spell (Polymorph).

First, #3. I wouldn't allow someone to be unburnt from a Fireball because they cast a Cat's Grace on themselves afterwards.

Second, the hold person "continuous save" topic was in this thread. I see that subject discussed on the second and third pages.

Andargor

 

[Darklone]

Yaddayaddayadda! I finally got an answer

So the will save to fear effects is one of the nice effects of different PHB printings. Thanks!

 

[Hypersmurf]

So the will save to fear effects is one of the nice effects of different PHB printings.

Which printing do you have? Mine's a first... no mention of fear effects...

-Hyp.