RAI: Pinning a Dragon's Mouth Shut

[Kask]

So in the rules on paralysation, for instance, it should carefully and point-by-point talk about all the possible actions you can take, and then deny each and every one except mental actions? This seems an unreasonable expectation.

Nope. There IS a specific rule already. Reread my post and the rules.

 

[Kask]

Let me ask a flipside version of this question...

If you managed to jam a dragon's mouth open, would you still let it use spells with verbal components?

Nope. I'd let it bite. Just like if you jammed your fingers in my mouth...

 

[Elethiomel]

Nope. There IS a specific rule already. Reread my post and the rules.

As there is a specific rule about pinning. It's in the Rules Compendium, and I quoted the part of it relevant to this discussion. The rule about pinning is specific in just the same way as the rule about paralysation.

 

[Vegepygmy]

Should I copy & paste the rules from a copyrighted book?

Yes, please. As long as you limit your copying to the relevant rules being discussed, it's a fair use. (And yes, I am a lawyer.)

Until you actually quote the rule you think exists (or at the very least, unambiguously identify it -- such as by exact line and page number), we can't tell whether you're an unrecognized genius or a puffed-up blowhard.

 

[Vegepygmy]

I had the nagging feeling we were all overlooking something. Is the rules compendium not considered a definite rules source? In it, on page 61 we find the following text on being pinned:
"When your opponent has pinned you, you are held stationary (but not helpless) for 1 round. You can't take any actions the creature pinning you doesn't allow; even speaking."

Good catch, Elethiomel.

The only exception to this seems to be the grapple check to escape a pin.

But you lost me here. Maybe I'm missing it, but the only exception I see is an Escape Artist check as a standard action. Which is pretty confusing, because the PHB allowed you to escape by making an opposed grapple check in place of an attack--but I don't see that text anywhere in the Rules Compendium. Am I just blind?

If the Rules Compendium really did remove the ability to escape a pin using an opposed grapple check, Escape Artist just became a lot more valuable.

 

[Elethiomel]

But you lost me here. Maybe I'm missing it, but the only exception I see is an Escape Artist check as a standard action. Which is pretty confusing, because the PHB allowed you to escape by making an opposed grapple check in place of an attack--but I don't see that text anywhere in the Rules Compendium. Am I just blind?

If the Rules Compendium really did remove the ability to escape a pin using an opposed grapple check, Escape Artist just became a lot more valuable.

Huh, you're right. I misread that section. Probably because it says you can make an Escape Artist check "in place of a grapple check". Poor editing.