Raise Dead and Undetectable Alignment

[Stalker0]

With raise dead, the soul knows the alignment of the person trying to raise him.

Undetectable Alignment would hide the alignment from divination, would that extend to the scenrio above?

 

[doktorstick]

With raise dead, the soul knows the alignment of the person trying to raise him.

Undetectable Alignment would hide the alignment from divination, would that extend to the scenrio above?

Good question. I would allow the alignment to be hidden.

 

[mkletch]

From the SRD, Spells (U, V, W, X, Y, Z)
Undetectable Alignment

[...]

An undetectable alignment spell conceals the alignment of an object or a creature from all forms of divination.

From the SRD, Magic Overview
Revivification Against One's Will: A soul cannot be returned to life if it does not wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and may refuse to return on that basis.

When being raised from the dead, you simply know the alignment; no divination is necessary. It's just part of the cosmic order of things, I guess.

-Fletch!

 

[doktorstick]

When being raised from the dead, you simply know the alignment; no divination is necessary. It's just part of the cosmic order of things, I guess.

That isn't concrete by any means. You deduced that "knowing" is irrespective of divining the information. One can divine the information thereby "knowing" the information.

The more potent mind blank should be able to stop the other information gleaned, too. Heck, mind blank foils miracle.

Here's my rationalization of why it is divination magicks. When you die, do you get to know the names, dieties, and alignments of anyone? Doubtful. Then it must be the act of casting the spell that allows the dead person to "know". Granted, one could argue that since the raise spells are conjuration that it uses conjuration magic to give that information (but that sounds lame).

My $0.02

/ds

 

[AuraSeer]

The way I picture it, the knowledge is given as a necessary part of the resurrection effect. The caster is effectively calling out to the soul, saying something like "Hey dead guy! I'm Bob, a neutral-good priest of Pelor. You can come back to your body now if you want; I opened the door for you."

IMO, the text means to say that the target always knows the identity of the attempting raiser. It feels like that's a necessary part of the spell; in order to make the Raise work, the caster must give the information out. If he isn't willing to tell his true name, alignment, and patron, then he can't bring back the dead.

This probably isn't supported by a strict rules-only interpretation, but to me it seems like what was intended.

 

[0-hr]

I'd let Undetectable Alignment work, mainly because it doesn't really matter.

DM: So dead guy, your spirit feels someone calling you back to the real of the living.
DeadGuy: Who is it?
DM: It's is Cedric the Foul, who calls in the name of Agrik the Destroyer of Worlds.
DeadGuy: Umm, what's his alignment?
DM: It is obscured somehow. You cannot sense his alignment.
DeadGuy: I think I'll wait for a priest of Pelor thankyou.

I mean, c'mon; anyone who is purposefully hiding their alignment isn't going to be up to any good. When you add in the diety, (which can only be one step removed), it's not hard to figure out who's side they are on.

 

[Stalker0]

I'm on the side that says the spell wouldn't work. While I think its an interesting idea, and I wanted everyone's thoughts on it, personally I think it wouldn't work.