Ran or played in games above level 20 in "X" editions

Which editions have you gone above 20th level in?

  • I've gone above 20th in 3E

    Votes: 52 72.2%
  • I've gone above 20th in 2E

    Votes: 26 36.1%
  • I've gone above 20th in 1E

    Votes: 24 33.3%
  • I've gone above 20th in OD&D or older

    Votes: 13 18.1%

But this way you'll only get an absolute number not a percentage. Is that a meaningful number? Or are you comparing the number of votes against something else? Number of ENWorld users?!

Exactly! That's why level 20 is arbitrary. If the level you are interested in is the level at which you've been able to cast wish/miracle then maybe you should have asked for that level.

If these are your criteria it's good you didn't include 4E since it doesn't have wish/miracle.

But, hey, it's your poll :-)

Yep, I am comparing it to total numbers of Enworld posters. Plus I am most interested in seeing how many went above 20th in which editions. Not how many didn't.

As for why 20th? Because that is the level I see mentioned by most posters. So even though I don't think that is when the game really changes, a lot of people apparently do.

Plus, in 3E, that is when the Epic rules really kick in, even though many of the feats are available sooner.
 

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What my fellow posters are getting at, is that there is a confounding variable here - that is, the number of people who are members of ENworld that, for any number of reasons, can't or won't respond to this poll, or just plain haven't seen it. I'd guess that is a fairly significant majority.

So what you're actually measuring is "Number of members who've played 20+ characters, in each of the editions mentioned, who have also seen and decided to vote in this poll" versus "Number of members who've not played 20+ characters OR those who have not seen this poll OR who've not decided to vote OR any combination of those three."
 

I ran a game in 3E from 1 to 21-22.

I played in a 3.5 campaigned that started at 15 and ended at 34-35.

In 4e, my intent is to run my campaign from 1 to 30 just to take the system for a spin and see how I like it as a whole. The 4e game I play in started at 10 (it was a pseudocontinuation of a 3.5 game) and hopefully will go 21+. We'll see.
 

For what it's worth add me to the never list as well.

I ran a 2E Dark Sun game for a few years back in the late '90s and the highest level character was 12th level when we stopped playing.

I played in a 3E game that was meant to end, and did, when all the characters attained 12th level.

I'm currently running a 3.5 Ptolus game in which the characters just achieved 10th level. I'm hoping to run it up to 20th level and end there.
 


What my fellow posters are getting at, is that there is a confounding variable here - that is, the number of people who are members of ENworld that, for any number of reasons, can't or won't respond to this poll, or just plain haven't seen it. I'd guess that is a fairly significant majority.

So what you're actually measuring is "Number of members who've played 20+ characters, in each of the editions mentioned, who have also seen and decided to vote in this poll" versus "Number of members who've not played 20+ characters OR those who have not seen this poll OR who've not decided to vote OR any combination of those three."


Yes, I know. I have a thorough knowledge of statistics. I have even wrote up a couple of papers on statistical analysis, concentrating on their areas of weakness and how to over come them.
 

I have never run or played a game PAST 20th level. In 1st Edition there was 1 PC that I recall was 20th+ and the rest were perhaps 17-19. In 3rd Edition I ran a very successful campaign with the intended goal of ending it at or before 20th level. I think the highest level PC was actually 18th.
 

Yep, I am comparing it to total numbers of Enworld posters. Plus I am most interested in seeing how many went above 20th in which editions. Not how many didn't.

As for why 20th? Because that is the level I see mentioned by most posters. So even though I don't think that is when the game really changes, a lot of people apparently do.

Plus, in 3E, that is when the Epic rules really kick in, even though many of the feats are available sooner.

For the record, I've never been up to 20th level in any edition (we're going it for it in 4e), but at least in regards to 3.x edition, I don't see a lot of specific mentions of 20th level. Most mentions are of "high-level play" being the game changer, which I figure to be level 12+ in that system.
 

Although I voted 1E (it was kind of Monty Haul, but only 1 DM made it that way - we just played EVERY DAY after school), I forgot about a time when I played a BECM game of around 25th level or so. It was an ongoing campaign of one of my fraternity brothers. I played someone's (who wasn't there) Cleric. I think he was supposed to kill off the character (I was alone facing overwhelming odds and couldn't use any spells), but to his surprise I managed to avoid that fate (I played very conservative until I could separate my opponents). So it was a 'one off' to me and certainly didn't feel 'epic' (since I couldn't use spells).

Our first 3.0 game made it from 1st to 17th level, when the Cleric had to use a couple of Miracle spells to recharge his magic items after I Disjunctioned them. Needless to say we weren't in a "good place" (the Sorcerer was planning to kill my cohort as well), so it was time to reboot the campaign.
 

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