[Ranger]Twin strike misunstanding ?

[Obryn]

Never say never, particularly when statistics are at hand. And here I thought you liked statistics given your whole skill challenge foray.

I think his point is that, unless the DM is throwing Level +10 monsters against the party, you won't see those ACs in actual play.

-O

 

[msherman]

You left crit bonus damage out of the spreadsheet. If you include it, it doesn't change the curves much, but it does knock Careful out of the lead for AC 20 once you get up to 2d6 bonus damage.

 

[keterys]

It also looks like quarry's crit damage isn't done correctly. It maximizes on crits but the spreadsheet doesn't do that.

Adding in a crit damage die plus fixing that quarry expression has twin strike worse for 20 on a non-magical weapon and better on even a generic +1's d6... though just barely. A d4 crit weapon would still have careful strike better in that one lone instance.

 

[Infiniti2000]

It also looks like quarry's crit damage isn't done correctly. It maximizes on crits but the spreadsheet doesn't do that.

Good catch, keterys and msherman. The attached fixes it, for those who do not want to try and fix it themselves. I also provided a mechanism to put in the number of dice for [W], quarry, and crits.

Obryn, a level +4 monster with a good AC and a way to give a penalty of -5 or so could reach the 20 mark. Say, like a black dragon.

 

[Entropi]

Superior cover or total concealment are also -5, and other situational modifiers could apply as well. So never say never.

Kinda discouraging that Careful is so inferior though. I made a human ranger because I liked Careful, Twin, and Nimble.

I suspect there might still be situational uses for Careful (some buff or debuff, feat, or some synergy somewhere that would screw over a 2-attack power vs a 1-attack power, but I can't think of one atm).