Ranger using Shield

[Hypersmurf]

Shield Expert was renamed Improved Shield Bash...

That's about as stupid an idea as they've had

Like the Command/Control Plants thing.

-Hyp.

 

[Jens]

OOhh! I have a "Ranger/TwoWeapon Fighting Style" question too:

If they are using a weapon and a shield and spiked armor, can they attack with the weapon and the spiked armor and still use the shield for defence (in the same round of course )?

I'm pretty sure you can. You just can't attack with all three at once. The SRD text for spiked armor says it can't be used with other twf attacks. But it seems like it can be used to TWF with a twohanded weapon

 

[reapersaurus]

wow- thanks for clearing that up.
That's a pretty spectacularly silly thing to do.
I wonder what possible benefit they could have been thinking of obtaining from doing that?

 

[Pbartender]

I'm pretty sure you can. You just can't attack with all three at once. The SRD text for spiked armor says it can't be used with other twf attacks. But it seems like it can be used to TWF with a twohanded weapon

Nope...

From the SRD:

Armor Spikes: You can have spikes added to your armor, which allow you to deal extra piercing damage (see Table: Weapons) on a successful grapple attack. The spikes count as a martial weapon. If you are not proficient with them, you take a -4 penalty on grapple checks when you try to use them. You can also make a regular melee attack (or off-hand attack) with the spikes, and they count as a light weapon in this case. (You can't also make an attack with armor spikes if you have already made an attack with another off-hand weapon, and vice versa.)

It works just like any other attack (or off-hand attack) with a light weapon. You cannot use them in conjunction with a two-handed weapon.

 

[Someone]

Nope...

From the SRD:


It works just like any other attack (or off-hand attack) with a light weapon. You cannot use them in conjunction with a two-handed weapon.

Sorry, I fail to understand that reasoning. You´re certainly not holding the spikes in your off-hand.

 

[Jens]

Pbartender,

I can't see where it says you can't use a twohanded weapon and armor spikes as an off hand weapon.

After some grappling rules it says: "You can also make a regular melee attack (or off-hand attack) with the spikes, and they count as a light weapon in this case." - I don't see any restrictions in that sentence? Maybe it is stated somewhere that you can't make off hand attacks when wielding a two handed weapon?

"... (You can't also make an attack with armor spikes if you have already made an attack with another off-hand weapon, and vice versa.)" - and here it just says that they can't be used in conjunction with another off hand weapon, nothing about twohanded weapons.

There may be other rules elsewhere, or those quoted here may mean or imply something I don't see, but... I don't see it

Spelling questions:
- Is it off hand or off-hand?
- Is it twohanded, two-handed, or two handed?
And is there a difference between UK and US English here?

 

[isoChron]

Am I wrong or isn't it a move equivalent action (not quickdraw) to strap a shield to the arm ? I'm not sure and I don't have the books at hand.
Equaly I thought it is a move equivalent action to let it go.
I always thought the shield is attached to the backback or carried on the back. How can you quickdraw from there ?
Maybe I'm totally wrong ...
Maybe it changed with 3.5 ...
BYE

 

[Pbartender]

Someone, Jens...

Consider this:

It explicitly says that when making an attack with armor spikes, you cannot use an off-hand weapon, right? If you cannot use that hand to effectively weild a one-handed weapon or light weapon, how are you going to use it to effectively weild a two-handed weapon? You are essentially using your off-hand to make the attack with armor spikes.

If you can weild a two-handed weapon and still make an off-hand attack with armor spikes, then why can't you weild one-handed weapon and make two off-hand attacks... one with armor spikes, and one with a light weapon?

It's the same reason you can't get a second extra (unarmed) attack by kicking while dual weilding.

If you want to fight in the real world, your arguement makes complete sense. But if you want consistant, balanced rules for D&D, it doesn't... Imagine a 1st level Fighter with TWF, Power Attack, a Greatsword and armor spikes. A bit much, don't you think?

 

[Someone]

Someone, Jens...

Consider this:

It explicitly says that when making an attack with armor spikes, you cannot use an off-hand weapon, right? If you cannot use that hand to effectively weild a one-handed weapon or light weapon, how are you going to use it to effectively weild a two-handed weapon? You are essentially using your off-hand to make the attack with armor spikes.

It doesn´t say that. It says that you can´t make an extra attack with the armor spikes if you already made an attack with an off-hand weapon, and vice-versa. In other words: You can only squeeze an extra attack, no matter the number of weapons you wield (unless you´re a monster with several limbs, or take the improved and greater TWF)

Imagine a 1st level Fighter with TWF, Power Attack, a Greatsword and armor spikes. A bit much, don't you think?

You know, it doesn´t strike me as so much overpowered. He´s not going to gain so much damage from Power Attack anyway, and he´s taking a -2 penalty to hit with both weapons. what strikes me as unfair in using a one handed weapon, shield and armor spikes. Why bother with two weapons?

 

[Olgar Shiverstone]

what strikes me as unfair in using a one handed weapon, shield and armor spikes. Why bother with two weapons?

I find that suggestion highly disturbing.

Is it just me, or does anyone else find the idea of armor spikes on any kind of armor a little silly? I could see it on most types of medium of heavy armor, since those armors have enough rigidity to support weapon spikes, plus they usually have the greaves, gauntlets, and other components that could be spiked -- but a spiked chain shirt?

I'm wishing they just restricted armor spikes to grapple attacks.

Edit: You know, for that matter you can accomplish the same thing with TWF and Improved Unarmed Strike (since you can use other parts of the body with IUS) -- but at least that tactic costs two feats to pull off. Maybe armor spikes should be an exotic weapon to be used as individual attacks.