Rap and Hip-Hop at the game table?

[ShinHakkaider]

Rap is not music. Its just hate and greed that happens to rhyme.

Sigh...

Whatever...

 

[Zoatebix]

I feel like I have a weight in my chest, but...

To those parents metal may be noise but at least it's not darkie Jungle noise.

We get the word 'barbarian' from the greek word barbaros "the sounds foreigners make." Not their language, the sounds they make. Some form of this idea has permeated Western civilization since our classical roots... You know what, this is way to big a can of worms for the scope of this thread, and the emphatically non-political nature of these message boards. We could maybe talk linguistics, cultural studies, anthropology, and literary theory and criticism along this vein - but I really really think we should keep focused on the music.

My hope is that more people will read this thread, people who've already read it will keep reading or read the good parts again, and that everybody will think twice about what they say. My greatest hope is that there will be people who will listen to something new because of what we say, and the world will be better for it.

Right now, I've got a huge collection of Bad Religion (hard-core punk) that I've only heard a few albums of before, and some Blackalicious to listen to again.

Peace!
-z

 

[Zoatebix]

Quirky, funny, spiritual! Not about money, women, cars, sex, drugs, etc.!

I quote myself at you, ArthurQ! I'd have to say that the vast majority of the recordings people have recommended fit the quote, too. And you can add "glorification of violence" to the list of what it's not about, too.

And does anyone else feel that School of Rock was a fantabulous movie and was a part of one of their best nights out last year? I didn't even know until after I saw it that it was directed by Richard Linklater! Dazed and Confused, Waking Life, Slacker - yeah, that dude.

I think it's out on DVD. I think School of Rock is gettin' back together this weekend...
-z

 

[ShinHakkaider]

I quote myself at you, ArthurQ! I'd have to say that the vast majority of the recordings people have recommended fit the quote, too. And you can add "glorification of violence" to the list of what it's not about, too.

And does anyone else feel that School of Rock was a fantabulous movie and was a part of one of their best nights out last year? I didn't even know until after I saw it that it was directed by Richard Linklater! Dazed and Confused, Waking Life, Slacker - yeah, that dude.

I think it's out on DVD. I think School of Rock is gettin' back together this weekend...
-z

I havent seen it yet, but I've had friends of mine who are not fans of The D tell me that Jack Black alone is worth it so it's going into my netflix queue.

 

[Mirth]

I'm really surprised that nemmerle hasn't dropped into this thread yet.

 

[SSquirrel]

That's the thing about Shadow, he doesn't disclose where most of his samples come from. In the Scratch documentary I mentioned earlier (which I recommend everyone watch before they diss hip-hop altogether (rap is a subgenre of hip-hop btw, just to be clear)), Shadow does most of his interview from the basement of a record store where he finds all of his obscure samples. It is literally a maze of vinyl stacks and Shadow won't reveal where the store is or what it's name is, because it took him 5 years of cajoling the owner before he was even allowed down into the basement.

Chances are quite good that said music store is Amoeba Records in San Francisco. Moved into an old bowling alley b/c they needed more room. Massive selection and I know I read that Shadow and most of the Invisible Skratch Pikklez(sp) etc do lots of shopping there. Altho have you ever seen Jack Danger's collection? He's the guy behind Meat Beat Manifesto. Dear GOD is that a lot of vinyl.

Office Space by Mike Judge of Beavis & Butthead fame. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant comedy, of which the screen capture is the best scene.

Been TOO long since I saw that movie last, but while taking out the fax machine Casino style is highly amusing, I know there were funnier moments in the movie. Don't sell it short, Office Space is godlike heh

Hagen

 

[SSquirrel]

Speaking of which, if anybody has the Psyence Fiction limited edition (containing 'Be There' with Ian Brown), I'd so love it if you would let me know and we could trade a couple of emails IYKWIMAITYD. In truth, I'm just looking for that one track.

Had top do some diggging but I found my full color Japanese gatefold edition of Psyence Fiction (yes I worked in a music store at the time and also own the UK import...but not the domestic release) and while it has bonus instrumentals for Drums of Death pt 1 and 2, it does not have Be There on it. Sorry.

Hagen

 

[BrooklynKnight]

I quote myself at you, ArthurQ! I'd have to say that the vast majority of the recordings people have recommended fit the quote, too. And you can add "glorification of violence" to the list of what it's not about, too.

And does anyone else feel that School of Rock was a fantabulous movie and was a part of one of their best nights out last year? I didn't even know until after I saw it that it was directed by Richard Linklater! Dazed and Confused, Waking Life, Slacker - yeah, that dude.

I think it's out on DVD. I think School of Rock is gettin' back together this weekend...
-z

Zoa, you confuse me.

You're mentioning rock music. Not rap music.
I love rock, and School of Rock was a great movie.
Bad Religion is a great group!

my comments were directed toward the rap genre of the 90's and today.

 

[Zoatebix]

Sorry about the confusion!

I'm arguing against the dismissal of all rap, and using my previous posts as examples of what to look for. I'm sorry that the rest of my post went in a totally different direction.

My other recent statements have been about non-rap music, too, because the thread has turned into a cross-genre free-for-all.

My response to you, and my general question were in separate paragraphs, and I even addressed the second to 'anyone'.

Am I not aloud to identify with and listen to punk and also listen to rap? (I like the winky face, but it's hard to see at my screen resolution)

I've talked about 19th and 20th centrury classical music (Gabriel Faure and Charles Ives, respectively), other orchestral and chamber music, Jazz, Yokko Kanno, the Clash, and various rap groups all before my Bad Religion and School of Rock refernces on this thread. I thought I was a well-established freak by this point (the tonguey face looks too similar to the big grin on my monitor too )

So - ummm... yeah. The quote I took from myself was about Blackalicious. I didn't mean to imply that I was going to keep talking about rap, I thought it was clear I was referring to "recordings people have recommended" (I quote myselft again!), though I didn't say I wasn't going to recommend any more, nor that I was moving on, so I think I see what confused you.

Sorry!
-z

 

[Revenge of the Bjorn]

Heya, Mirth. Just be warned before you put money down on Therion that they're very different from most death metal bands in the vocal area. They use a huge chorus of almost operatic singers, occasionly with a standard metal type lead (like your Roths, Plants or Dios I s'pose). I think I read somewhere that their earlier stuff was standard-issue death metal, but I haven't heard those albums so I don't know. But I get this feeling that operatic metal may not be right for some people so I felt the need to warn you before you put down hard earned money on it or anything.

Moving on to what other people said:
I was actually a bit dissapointed with School of Rock. Jack Black being as awesome as he is, I just went in to that movie with hopes set too high. It was pretty good, though. I did buy the soundtrack and thoroughly enjoy it.

On the Original subject: I think the most important thing in terms of music is to ask oneself "Do I like what's coming out of my speakers?" Too often people are too concerned with "image." Some self-proclaimed hipsters will only listen to punk or indie music and will turn against bands when they supposedly "sell out." Alot of pop music is trite and soulless, but alot isn't. So you take the good with the bad. I often put music on when doing something else so I exerience it more as a background factor, and occasionally I do put on a rap beat. (Although I prefer rock, and I haven't yet found a combo of the two that suits me entirely), and it works, however I'm not sure its the kind of energy one might want for a fantasy game. Perhaps in a modern game though.

and something else I wanted to say:
Pardon my language but has anyone here heard of the ing Champs?