D&D 5E (2024) Rate D&D 2024

[SkidAce]

Sample size is to small. Half dozen of the usual suspects can sink the rating.

Isn't their vote valid? So it should contribute to the overall score.

EDIT: Nevermind, I see it was disscussed.

 

[kermit4karate]

I don't think most players buy more than the PHB.

Perhaps they do/did on Amazon, but does it matter?

Hasbro's last June 2025 quarterly earnings, revenue of $980.8 million (down ~1.5% year-over-year), with a net loss of $855.8 million due to a cash charge (so doesn't really count), but their adjusted earnings per share (EPS) was $1.30, beating analyst expectations of ~$0.78. That's a pretty good quarter.

WotC's revenue growth was +16% year-over-year, driven mostly by Magic and digital (games). WotC doesn't break out D&D sales it seems, just "tabletop" games, which I assume includes Magic. Sales of that category were up ~21%, which indicates solid growth.

We can probably conclude that nothing in their June earnings indicates that D&D is a financial loser. Magic is still the lion's share of their business, but it would be difficult for them to conceal losses from D&D 2024 if it were turning out to be a letdown/failure.

Sources: Hasbro lifts annual revenue forecast on strong demand for "Magic: The Gathering" games

Hasbro's Q2 2025: MTG and Final Fantasy Prop Up Earnings

Hasbro's Q2 2025 financials show Magic: The Gathering and Final Fantasy collaborations offsetting Dungeons & Dragons revenue challenges.

www.ttrpginsider.news

Final Fantasy Drives 23% Increase in Magic Revenue According to Hasbro Q2 Results

Hasbro reported quarterly earnings including a 23% increase in Magic revenue and a 17% increase in the average age of Magic players.

www.hipstersofthecoast.com

 

[SkidAce]

...

One solution is simple. Only 2 classes per character.
that cuts down on 90% of the cheese.

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This is the way.

 

[SkidAce]

It is weird that folks seem okay ignoring the lowest ratings as from"haters" but not the highest ratings as from sycophants.

I don't think we can judge either, and let the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[mamba]

We can probably conclude that nothing in their June earnings indicates that D&D is a financial loser. Magic is still the lion's share of their business, but it would be difficult for them to conceal losses from D&D 2024 if it were turning out to be a letdown/failure.

D&D is small enough for them to be able to hide a decline for a while at a minimum. Not that they had to, it grew by around 10% according to some number crunchers on Alphastream’s podcast

 

[FrogReaver]

Exactly.

Yes. I’m saying the number of reviews is ‘wrong’ aka not complete. We know this based on the numbers of reviews on dmg and mm. My guess is there is a time horizon where reviews older than X aren’t being shown.

 

[Reynard]

Perhaps they do/did on Amazon, but does it matter?

Hasbro's last June 2025 quarterly earnings, revenue of $980.8 million (down ~1.5% year-over-year), with a net loss of $855.8 million due to a cash charge (so doesn't really count), but their adjusted earnings per share (EPS) was $1.30, beating analyst expectations of ~$0.78. That's a pretty good quarter.

WotC's revenue growth was +16% year-over-year, driven mostly by Magic and digital (games). WotC doesn't break out D&D sales it seems, just "tabletop" games, which I assume includes Magic. Sales of that category were up ~21%, which indicates solid growth.

We can probably conclude that nothing in their June earnings indicates that D&D is a financial loser. Magic is still the lion's share of their business, but it would be difficult for them to conceal losses from D&D 2024 if it were turning out to be a letdown/failure.

Sources: Hasbro lifts annual revenue forecast on strong demand for "Magic: The Gathering" games

Hasbro's Q2 2025: MTG and Final Fantasy Prop Up Earnings

Hasbro's Q2 2025 financials show Magic: The Gathering and Final Fantasy collaborations offsetting Dungeons & Dragons revenue challenges.

www.ttrpginsider.news

Final Fantasy Drives 23% Increase in Magic Revenue According to Hasbro Q2 Results

Hasbro reported quarterly earnings including a 23% increase in Magic revenue and a 17% increase in the average age of Magic players.

www.hipstersofthecoast.com

I am not sure why you are pointing earnings statements at me.

 

[kermit4karate]

D&D is small enough for them to be able to hide a decline for a while at a minimum. Not that they had to, it grew by around 10% according to some number crunchers on Alphastream’s podcast

OK. But considering what WotC has going for it, that whole machine, plus Magic behind the scenes propping up their cash flow, there's almost no conceivable way they won't eventually turn 2024 into a massive hit.

Just my opinion, but considering the user base and WotC's financial resources and other IP, I think 2024's eventual place in history is all but assured. I really do. It's too big to fail with a backer that has too much influence and money. WotC can keep tweaking, pivoting and marketing until they turn it into a massively successful monster, regardless of what the real story is now.

 

[Reynard]

There is an old addage: neither growth nor D&D Editions last forever.

 

[OB1]

When did Beyond launch? Was it in 2014? I dont recall it much talked about back then. Though, I do hear about it often now, and think EN World folks often underrate its use.

August 15 2017.