Brother Shatterstone
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Rate Revenge of the Sith *SPOILERS*
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Sorry folks, I didn't read all of the posts on all of the pages.
I gave the movie a 5.
I like the ideas behind the broader plot points. I like most of the visuals. However, Lucas' writing and directing (and even editing) is still very amateurish.
I'll start listing some negative points about the movie, but I don't think I can list them all. It would take a very very large post.
The action was badly written and most times badly filmed/choreograhed. Obi Wan and Anakin enter Grievous' flagship and everytime they encounter some battle droids, none of them shoot the Jedis when they have the drop on them. They all seem to want to "capture" them instead.
I hate story devices like the ray shield. Just a convenient containment shield that happens to be there when the writer needs it. Man, how annoying and expensive would it be to build this ship? You gotta put a ray shield emitter every 10' just in case! Okay, let's say this ship is special and it does have ray shields available everywhere.....why is it then that they aren't used on the Jedi right away?
I actually like the fight choreography of most of the fights. Its just too bad that most of the time (like in final duel between Obi Wan and Anakin) that its too dark or too close to see it properly.
And the final ending to the Obi Wan/Anakin duel was badly written. Anakin jumps at enemies several times through the film and never has been cut out of the sky on the way in. And yet......Obi Wan says, "I have the highground" .... and now he can't do it without getting cut down anymore? How does being a few feet higher matter at all to someone as skilled as Anakin? One, he can jump even higher jedi style to compensate, or ...two, not jump at all and simply step down off hover droid and onto beach edge two feet away...and then resume fight. Poor ending there...very poor.
The Obi Wan vs. Grievous fight.....think we all have said this already, but Cartoon Network did Grievous better. Or, if Lucas wanted Grievous to be close to the movie version, he should've told the CN guys not too make Greivous so scary and skilled.
Also don't like it when someone needs to go look at security camera footage and they seem to get a look at what they need to see so easily.
Not everything was tied up neatly. If an element requires a fanboy to make up his/her own excuse/theory, then Lucas didn't do a good job. Talking about Vader and the droids, Leia and her memories of her mother, etc, etc.
The movie also didn't convey the passage of time properly either. Padme goes from being newly pregnant to ...near end of her term in what seems to be only about a week or so of time. The way it is written and edited, you can't tell how much time passes between each whipe. Lucas didn't write any dialogue or other elements to help the viewer get a firm sense of this.
Not to go back to the Clone Wars animated show too often, but they did it fairly well there. even though they only had 12 minutes to work with, the episode where Anakin and Obi wan are away on campaign is a well done example of how to convey passage of time. Obi Wan is in a trench shelter and a clone trooper reports that they'll have the enemy shields down in a few more months. Then Obi Wan says something like, "But we've been here for 2 months"..and trooper responds with, "Yes, sir...we're right on schedule". That scene made me aware that "x" amount of time has passed since Anakin and Obi Wan have been at the warfront. No scenes like that were in Episode III.
Anyways, there's much more I can bring up , but I'll cut it off here for now. I enjoyed the eye candy when i was able to take it in, but for the most part, its still a sloppy movie like Episode I and II.
Side note: Wasn't Mon Mothma supposed to be in this movie? I saw the Millenium Falcon, but I didn't see Mon Mothma anywhere.
I gave the movie a 5.
I like the ideas behind the broader plot points. I like most of the visuals. However, Lucas' writing and directing (and even editing) is still very amateurish.
I'll start listing some negative points about the movie, but I don't think I can list them all. It would take a very very large post.
The action was badly written and most times badly filmed/choreograhed. Obi Wan and Anakin enter Grievous' flagship and everytime they encounter some battle droids, none of them shoot the Jedis when they have the drop on them. They all seem to want to "capture" them instead.
I hate story devices like the ray shield. Just a convenient containment shield that happens to be there when the writer needs it. Man, how annoying and expensive would it be to build this ship? You gotta put a ray shield emitter every 10' just in case! Okay, let's say this ship is special and it does have ray shields available everywhere.....why is it then that they aren't used on the Jedi right away?
I actually like the fight choreography of most of the fights. Its just too bad that most of the time (like in final duel between Obi Wan and Anakin) that its too dark or too close to see it properly.
And the final ending to the Obi Wan/Anakin duel was badly written. Anakin jumps at enemies several times through the film and never has been cut out of the sky on the way in. And yet......Obi Wan says, "I have the highground" .... and now he can't do it without getting cut down anymore? How does being a few feet higher matter at all to someone as skilled as Anakin? One, he can jump even higher jedi style to compensate, or ...two, not jump at all and simply step down off hover droid and onto beach edge two feet away...and then resume fight. Poor ending there...very poor.
The Obi Wan vs. Grievous fight.....think we all have said this already, but Cartoon Network did Grievous better. Or, if Lucas wanted Grievous to be close to the movie version, he should've told the CN guys not too make Greivous so scary and skilled.
Also don't like it when someone needs to go look at security camera footage and they seem to get a look at what they need to see so easily.
Not everything was tied up neatly. If an element requires a fanboy to make up his/her own excuse/theory, then Lucas didn't do a good job. Talking about Vader and the droids, Leia and her memories of her mother, etc, etc.
The movie also didn't convey the passage of time properly either. Padme goes from being newly pregnant to ...near end of her term in what seems to be only about a week or so of time. The way it is written and edited, you can't tell how much time passes between each whipe. Lucas didn't write any dialogue or other elements to help the viewer get a firm sense of this.
Not to go back to the Clone Wars animated show too often, but they did it fairly well there. even though they only had 12 minutes to work with, the episode where Anakin and Obi wan are away on campaign is a well done example of how to convey passage of time. Obi Wan is in a trench shelter and a clone trooper reports that they'll have the enemy shields down in a few more months. Then Obi Wan says something like, "But we've been here for 2 months"..and trooper responds with, "Yes, sir...we're right on schedule". That scene made me aware that "x" amount of time has passed since Anakin and Obi Wan have been at the warfront. No scenes like that were in Episode III.
Anyways, there's much more I can bring up , but I'll cut it off here for now. I enjoyed the eye candy when i was able to take it in, but for the most part, its still a sloppy movie like Episode I and II.
Side note: Wasn't Mon Mothma supposed to be in this movie? I saw the Millenium Falcon, but I didn't see Mon Mothma anywhere.
D+1
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Gave it a 7. It gets extra credit just for being Star Wars because it otherwise really only deserves a 6. It was better than Ep.I, or II and managed the unbelievable feat of actually making RotJ/Ep. VI seem like it really was a much better movie than it actually was, since it finally lays out ALL the backstory, character development and motivation.
It was stiffly-acted again by Christensen and Portman and WELL-acted again by McDiarmid and especially McGregor. It was entertaining enough, but badly paced in the middle. There is a definite feeling of TONS of stuff having been savagely cut for time that was DESPERATELY needed for better plot and character development. And the lightsaber fights were defintely shot WAY WAY too tightly and edited by a meth-freak. Oh, and the denouement sucked - even if it IS a prequel.
But I think it was good enough that I can be forgiving of Episode I, and the worst parts of Episodes II and VI. Nice save.
It was stiffly-acted again by Christensen and Portman and WELL-acted again by McDiarmid and especially McGregor. It was entertaining enough, but badly paced in the middle. There is a definite feeling of TONS of stuff having been savagely cut for time that was DESPERATELY needed for better plot and character development. And the lightsaber fights were defintely shot WAY WAY too tightly and edited by a meth-freak. Oh, and the denouement sucked - even if it IS a prequel.
But I think it was good enough that I can be forgiving of Episode I, and the worst parts of Episodes II and VI. Nice save.
Kai Lord
Hero
I give it a 10. Not a perfect movie, but a movie that facilitated one of the most perfect movie going *experiences* of my life. *This* was the SW movie I've been hoping for for decades. And its better than I would have imagined. Bravo Lucas. So many great moments, so many moments in the original trilogy that are now greater because of this movie.
Orius
Unrepentant DM Supremacist
BrooklynKnight said:
In addition, when he thinks he still can pull himself out of the Dark Side here, he tries to convince Padme to go along with him and that they can rule the galaxy together after he bumps Palpatine off. Later on, he tries the same tactic with Luke.
Brother Shatterstone
Dark Moderator of PbP
Orius said:
But I doubt it happens anywhere in between... He has no reason to "live" any other way than as pupil. I don’t really see him as a leader, at least in the galactic sense, and is more of a loyal follower, which makes him the best pupil to keep around.
For me, it was moments of coolness in a fundamentally not-great movie. My expectations were raised too high by hearing everyone say, "No, seriously, this one is fantastic!", and then it turned out to have lame dialogue, a silly-stupid descent to the dark side (that disappointed me primarily because it was actually set up well, right up until Anakin became massively stupid all of a sudden), forced-plot stuff (we have interstellar travel, but we're supposed to believe that a high-ranking and very wealthy person could be really really worried about dying during childbirth, and then to believe that droids can't keep alive someone whose medical diagnosis is "lost will to live"), and disappointing action sequences that involved a lot of baton-twirl routines and fast-cut edits and Anakin swinging his lightsaber at the place Obi Wan was ALREADY EFFING BLOCKING, TWICE.
It had some great visuals. It had a few great lines. I thought that the setup for the descent was well done. The rest of it... meh.
Gave it a 4. Shouldn't have read the fanboy stuff talking about how great it was beforehand. If I'd gone in with no expectations, I'd have been satisfied, I imagine.
It had some great visuals. It had a few great lines. I thought that the setup for the descent was well done. The rest of it... meh.
Gave it a 4. Shouldn't have read the fanboy stuff talking about how great it was beforehand. If I'd gone in with no expectations, I'd have been satisfied, I imagine.
spatha
First Post
The_lurkeR said:
My wife never saw the original trilogy (she is 39 I am 33) when she was a kid and she still hasn't. The first Star Wars movie she saw was Phantom Menace. With my love of the movies knowing we'd be seeing episode 3 she watched episodes 1 and 2 just days before. Between her and my son I was answering lots of questions on who is who and why that made me go oh. But they both loved the movie. As a matter of fact my wife now wants to get the original triology on DVD so maybe this will all make a bit more sense to her. So it is not only fanboys like me that loved the movie. BTW I gave it a 10. Bets of the 6 actualy surpased Empire IMO.
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Yeah, he was Darth Vader all of an hour before he thought of overthrowing Sidious? He wasn't messing around.Orius said:
Brother Shatterstone
Dark Moderator of PbP
spatha said:
Yup, my wife isn't a star wars fan. She'll watch the movies with me but she would never go out of her way to watch them on her own and she loved it...
(She almost cried like three times during the movie... All to "horrible" dialog, and "unreal" characters, and "poor" actors too.)You just can't make everyone happy. :shrug:
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