Rate Revenge of the Sith *SPOILERS*

[takyris]

I think that Lucas has pleased his fans just fine.

Right. Like I said. You're implying that I don't think he pleased his fans. I believe we've been over the ratings here and on IMDB and come to the conclusion that people are liking it.

Hence the number of times I wrote "in my opinion" or "for me".

I had problems with the movie. Other people here also had problems with the movie. Thus, while the movie might make a truckload of money, it did not please all its fans. And if you go back through the 10 pages of posts, you'll find several people who (as I mentioned earlier) posted fairly critical reviews and then gave it a 7 because Yoda looked cool taking down the stormtroopers, so if you want to compare this movie to, say, a non-Star Wars movie, figure that it's getting about half a star for free on a five-point scale simply because it's got the familiar iconography of a Star Wars movie.

If Lucas pleased his fans just fine, then evidently all the bloggers I've run into with "Why this movie disappointed me" posts were not his fans. Or perhaps, just perhaps, the situation is more nuanced than the fact that your dad liked it just fine might imply.

I can play anecdotal evidence all day. I've got disappointed buddies lined up around the block. Unfortunately, some of their often hilarious critiques include language that Grandma wouldn't like, so they remain unlinked -- but they're still just anecdotal evidence, no more or less valid than your dad. In the end, the box office receipts will be wonderful, the critics' reviews will continue to be mixed, and the internet will foam with a mixture of people who politely question the rationality of the folks whose opinions are different from theirs. And life will go on.

It's more of a success than I'd like, since I'd like for Hollywood to clearly hear that making an FX-heavy movie is not an excuse for bad writing. It's less of a success than Brother Shatterstone would like, because there are a number of people on this board and elsewhere who had issues with the movie, and it's never fun when other people vocally dislike a movie that was so moving and close to your heart and such a big hit for you. (That's not a slam on you, Brother Shatterstone -- I'd be posting stuff a lot like you are posting if someone didn't like a movie I'd really loved and that worked for me on almost every level.)

I was trying to give a different angle of explanation for why the movie didn't work for me, Ankh. I even wrote "for me" several times. Telling me that I'm wrong for trying to examine the reasons that the movie didn't work for me, or for the fans who have posted the hilarious and expletive-filled critiques, is not going to change my mind.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Way off topic but I wanted to say something to takyris... You must have the most words per a post in the history of ENworld. (Which is cool. IMHO)

 

[David Howery]

one thing that wasn't very clear: when the clone troopers turned Sen. Organa away from the Jedi Temple, were they planning on shooting him in the back, or were they really going to let him go? It looked like they were thinking about shooting him anyway. And just who was the little jedi that popped out of nowhere to attack those troopers.. was he saving Organa or just attacking the troopers?

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

R In the end, the box office receipts will be wonderful, the critics' reviews will continue to be mixed, and the internet will foam with a mixture of people who politely question the rationality of the folks whose opinions are different from theirs. And life will go on.

Funnily enough, critics' reviews of Sith have been surprisingly positive overall. But your point still stands...other than the fact that life will not, in fact, go on.

Telling me that I'm wrong for trying to examine the reasons that the movie didn't work for me, or for the fans who have posted the hilarious and expletive-filled critiques, is not going to change my mind.

Since I know you're not new to the internet, I can only say one thing.

Yes it can and will change your mind because you're obviously wrong. Why? Because I'm right!

 

[takyris]

Since I know you're not new to the internet, I can only say one thing.

Yes it can and will change your mind because you're obviously wrong. Why? Because I'm right!

Dangit! I... must... counter.... GNARRRGH!


Ankh-Morpork Guard is right. I used to believe otherwise. Now I follow Ankh-Morpork Guard. Soon we will all follow Ankh-Morpork Guard.

 

[John Crichton]

That must have been pretty cool. A couple of huge bonuses for me in seeing ROTS were that it was the first new SW film I've seen since being married and it was the first since ESB that I got to see spoiler free.

Yes, the LotR Trilogy experience is something I'll not forget anytime soon.

I casually perused Star Wars newsgroups before TPM and AOTC and both times happened upon threads where the title stated things along the lines of "Obi-Wan kills Darth Maul after Qui-Gonn dies!!111!!" and "Mace Windu kills Jango!11!!!!!" Pretty annoying to say the least. But before ROTS I went on an almost total internet lockdown and got to be surprised all throughout the movie. It was awesome not knowing how Count Dooku, General Grievous, Nute Gunray, Mace Windu, or even Jar Jar ended up.

Spoilers suck. Ever since the prequels started coming out I have been shielding myself from them. I stayed away from sites like theforce.net. I made sure I made it into the theater clean. I'm glad you were finally able to do the same. It really helps the entire experience. I would have been quite annoyed had I learned the things you did about the other prequels.

There are things in ROTS that could have been better, a couple CGI clonetrooper shots that were a little too obvious, a rewriting of the "beauty is blind" exchange or however it went, but those are tiny things in the grand scope of the film. Heck I was a little distracted by some cheezy lines in ROTK that seem lifted from Star Wars, "Is Frodo alive," "What does your heart tell you?" and "I've got to save you," "You already did." But I sure didn't let those small things affect one of the greatest films of all time (possibly my absolute favorite, I'll have to let you know when the "Sith buzz" subsides, assuming it does... )

Yeah. I'm more than willing to let things like clumsy dialogue slide in movies such as LotR and SW. The stories aren't about how people talk to each other but the story and specticle for me.

 

[Welverin]

Yeah. I'm more than willing to let things like clumsy dialogue slide in movies such as LotR and SW. The stories aren't about how people talk to each other but the story and specticle for me.

I think part of the problem is that we've become so accustomed to people in movies and television speaking perfectly all the time, whether it's things like uh or um, or simply perfectly constructed lines, that people now expect every character to speak perfectly without ever saying anything weird or stupid (unless it’s for a laugh).

I contend that the cheesy romantic dialogue between Anakin and Padme in Ep2 works, intentional or not, and makes sense for the characters. Particularly for Anakin, after all he was a slave until the age of ten at which point he was taken by the jedi and spent the next ten years to become a jedi himself, that wouldn’t left much time for dating or how to act around the other sex. And that’s assuming the jedi even allowed such things, which they didn’t.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

one thing that wasn't very clear: when the clone troopers turned Sen. Organa away from the Jedi Temple, were they planning on shooting him in the back, or were they really going to let him go? It looked like they were thinking about shooting him anyway. And just who was the little jedi that popped out of nowhere to attack those troopers.. was he saving Organa or just attacking the troopers?

He was a plot device so that Organa could see that the Jedi were, indeed, being massacred.

Beyond that, I haven't a clue, but I'm sure someone, somewhere has named him and written a novel.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

I agree. But that agreement is why I think "You just aren't thinking hard enough and trying to interpret the movie, which is deep in this one particular part" doesn't fly as a defense.

Man, I was going to say "I didn't say that!" But I think I might have.

Eh, I still like it.

"Deep" might be a bit of a stretch. I was talking about interpreting Yoda's flight as exhaustion or resignation that he couldn't win, not the deep and abiding symbolic connections between Palpy and Ahab or some crap like that. But it might be the case that I'm flipping back and forth between "Some thought please!" and "Think less, enjoy more!"

That said, I might have been saying those two things to different people, indicating only that I have achieved the perfect balance between the two, a form of Nerdvana where all movies rock my socks for their different reasons.

Well, except Wing Commander. And anything with Keanu Reeves, of course.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

He was a plot device so that Organa could see that the Jedi were, indeed, being massacred.

Beyond that, I haven't a clue, but I'm sure someone, somewhere has named him and written a novel.

The Jedi was actually George Lucas' son. Can't remember the Jedi name for him, though, but I believe it was something like Zett.

And it did look to me like the Clones were going to shoot Senator Organa at first. Especially with the "Wait, let him go" when Organa escaped.