Rate your Superhero!

[alsih2o]

(it's a kinda convoluted optional rule, which you'd need the book to fully understand).

alsih2o feels his arm being twisted to buy the book he has been thinking of buying anyway.

 

[alsih2o]

given time to prepare, batman always wins....heck, he whupped superman!

 

[Silverthrone]

Lame cop out by DC so neither of their cash cows look bad compared to the other.

 

[MasterOfHeaven]

In terms of D&D levels / 4CTF.....

Captain America: Mostly Fighter levels, with some Paladin (minus the Lay on Hands, Cure Disease, and spellcasting ability) and some Hero levels. Total levels: 20, maybe Epic.

Batman: As per Ranger Wickett, and I'd put him at ~18th level.

Daredevil: A mix of Monk, Hero, Specialist, and Fighter (in order from highest to lowest) with the heaviest concentration on Monk by quite a large margin. Total levels: ~12.

Wolverine: A Barbarian-Fighter with Hero levels and a level or two of Frenzied Berserker PrC (MotW). Total levels: ~18.

Spiderman: A Specialist (Journalist, Scientist)-Hero with the highest amount of Hero levels of any of the discussed characters. Maybe with a level of Gadgeteer (Web shooters/fluid, tracers, spider-armour, etc). Total levels: ~18.

Three of the characters are roughly the same level, but I don't think they are at all equal. Spiderman and Batman are both more versatile than Wolverine, but neither of them could stand up to him if a sudden fight broke out. Batman and Spidey could probably escape (if they survive the initial attack), but would have to fight at range to have any chance otherwise.

Cap vs. Batman: Despite what Marvel vs. DC said, I think Cap would win. Especially The Ultimates version of Cap.

I'd disagree about Spiderman Vs. Wolverine, at least. The few comics I read where they fight, IIRC, it was either a standoff or Spiderman defeated Wolverine. Spiderman, in one of the eighties comics, beat up the entirety of the X-men, in fact.

The thing to remember about Spider-Man is he is super strong, super fast/agile, can shoot webs that are supposedly stronger than steel, can climb walls and ceilings, and has spider sense on top of all of that. Wolverine just has an admantite skeleton and healing, meaning Spidey can outmaneuver him, outhit him, and basically outfight him. Just IMO, of course.

I'd say Captain America or Batman is the most skilled. Captain America does have special powers he relies on, and I'm not sure he'd be able to beat Batman if those powers were taken away from him. I'd put Batman at an equal level to Captain America.

Daredevil is extremely skilled as well, but rarely seems to fight the kind of villians the others on this list go up against, so I'd say he's not as skilled as Cap or Batman. He's still probably got more skill than Spiderman or Wolverine, though.

 

[apsuman]

Spidey has superhuman everything. Super agility, super strength, precognative abilites that prevent him from being surprized, etc. So, in a fight I would put him at the top.

Batman and Cap are suppose to be the ABSOLUTE BEST that humans can achieve. So I would make them equal.

Wolvie has extra special natural talent that I would use tp place above Cap and Bats but he never beats Cap when it comes down to a fight. Still I think it is because the "Arena" always favors Cap. And that shield is the perfect foil to his adamantitle (sp?)claws. Still I would place him between Spidey and Batman America.

So Daredevil ends up last.


g!

 

[N Hammer]

Batman
Wolverine
Captain America
Spider-Man
DareDevil

 

[Acmite]

I'd disagree about Spiderman Vs. Wolverine, at least. The few comics I read where they fight, IIRC, it was either a standoff or Spiderman defeated Wolverine. Spiderman, in one of the eighties comics, beat up the entirety of the X-men, in fact.

The thing to remember about Spider-Man is he is super strong, super fast/agile, can shoot webs that are supposedly stronger than steel, can climb walls and ceilings, and has spider sense on top of all of that. Wolverine just has an admantite skeleton and healing, meaning Spidey can outmaneuver him, outhit him, and basically outfight him. Just IMO, of course.

We actually agree on this if you read my post more carefully. In a Straight up fight/brawl Wolverine wins over Spidey. If Spidey can attack like a 3E monk (Fade and attack, repeat) or strike from a distance, fine. Spidey wins. In a brawl, Wolvie has the advantage. He's the best there is at what he does, and he does brawls and stand up fights.

I'd say Captain America or Batman is the most skilled. Captain America does have special powers he relies on, and I'm not sure he'd be able to beat Batman if those powers were taken away from him. I'd put Batman at an equal level to Captain America.

What special powers? His shield? He's good with it, but he doesn't need it. He's still an excellent unarmed combatant. Batman has way more "powers" or gimmicks than Cap.

Daredevil is extremely skilled as well, but rarely seems to fight the kind of villians the others on this list go up against, so I'd say he's not as skilled as Cap or Batman. He's still probably got more skill than Spiderman or Wolverine, though. [/B]

We basically agree on this.


Overall, we differ on what the original poster meant by "Skill" versus "Power". Spiderman is more powerful than Wolverine, but Wolverine is a more skilled fighter. Daredevil is a highly trained unarmed (and to a lesser extent, armed) combatant. Spiderman has super-powers.

Spiderman is the coolest on the list, though. Cap would be #2 on my list.

 

[Xarlen]

I can't believe you forgot Orgasmo.

 

[Neowolf]

What special powers? His shield? He's good with it, but he doesn't need it. He's still an excellent unarmed combatant. Batman has way more "powers" or gimmicks than Cap.

Actually, Cap does have some superhuman powers, they're just fairly subtle. Here's what I dug up from Marvel's website:

http://www.marvel.com/comics/bios/bio_captainamerica.htm

Enhanced by the Super-Soldier Serum, Captain America's agility, strength, endurance and reaction time are superior to those of an Olympic-level athlete. Also, Cap has mastered a number of fighting forms, including American-style boxing and judo. These abilities, combined with his indestructible shield, make him one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known.

 

[Dr. Strangemonkey]

The Darknight Carries Superman

Batman is superior.

Man, he's got the best track record of anyone in DC. Occasionally he gets depressed or breaks a back and someone has to come in and save him, but Batman has got one thing the others lack.

He's a freakin Eagle Scout man. The Bat is always prepared.

Otherwise I'd say Spiderman. Wolvies claws would be bad, but that freakin autododge dangersense is one hos' defense.

Then Cap, he's been around for forever.

And like the say of the Roman Centurion, when you've been in the for 20+ years there is no way you're gonna be freaked by anything.

Particularly not some berserking canuck furrball or a kid who can cling to walls and wear pajamas.