Rate your Superhero!

Neowolf said:


Actually, Cap does have some superhuman powers, they're just fairly subtle. Here's what I dug up from Marvel's website:


The point I was responding to:

I'd say Captain America or Batman is the most skilled. Captain America does have special powers he relies on, and I'm not sure he'd be able to beat Batman if those powers were taken away from him. I'd put Batman at an equal level to Captain America.

Cap has no "superpowers" that can be removed other than his shield. I'm not even sure I'd consider his enhanced physical traits to be superpowers since Batman is essentially the same thing. He is at the peak of human performance, not above it. Therefore, not "super"-human.
 

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Something I can't recall that maybe you guys could help me with...

When Captain America got injected with the Super Soldier Syrum, did he automatically get the enchanced stats, or was it like a super steriod where he still had to work up to that ability?

Anyone remember his story?
 

Two things about Spidey, not arguing one way or the other:

1. Spidey's got style and finesse. He has not had any formal combat training but he has an instinctive sense of panache. As aeroplane designers say: If it looks good it's probably fast.

2. Spiderman's danger sense is not a dodge everything ability. It's not even close to Epic Dodge. It's more like a +8 dodge bonus in a fight and the improved evasion ability all rolled in to one. So in a cage fight against Wolverine it wouldn't do him much good (if we agree that Wolvie's BAB is high enough to hit Spidey.)
 

Toj said:
When Captain America got injected with the Super Soldier Syrum, did he automatically get the enchanced stats, or was it like a super steriod where he still had to work up to that ability?

Anyone remember his story?

Steve Rogers was basically a 98 pound weakling before he got the Super Soldier Serum, and it was an instant transformation. Over time, the Serum's effects have fluctuated (depending on different writers), but his powers are basically at the same level now as they were in 1941.

Doc
 

In terms of fighting skill alone:

Captain America
Batman
Daredevil
Wolverine
Spiderman

But, as pointed out, in a brawl (limited space, no time to prepare):

Wolverine
Spiderman
Batman (as noted, he's a dirty fighter)
Captain America
Daredevil

But in an open space with time to prepare themselves:

Batman (would possibly take out one of the others in 1 round)
Wolverine (he's a smart guy when he stops and thinks)
Captain America (would use the terrain perfectly)
Daredevil
Spiderman (who never, ever stops and thinks)

I would point out I have little experience in Daredevil, but given that Batman could stand up to White Martians in JLA and other references, I believe that if he knows you are coming and he's done his research, he's nigh unbeatable. Feel free to argue.
 

Acmite said:


The point I was responding to:

Cap has no "superpowers" that can be removed other than his shield. I'm not even sure I'd consider his enhanced physical traits to be superpowers since Batman is essentially the same thing. He is at the peak of human performance, not above it. Therefore, not "super"-human.

Thats not true at all. Cap has had his super serum altered, posioned, and even removed from his metabolism/system. He suffered for it as well. Cap has a very acrobatic and aerial style because he can perform maneuvers that most other humans can't even try. When he has lost or had his super soldier metablolism altered, his fighting style suffered.

Who has the most pure skill?

Batman
Captain America
Daredevil
Wolverine
Spiderman

Who would win a fight using all of their abilities?

1.Batman
(when its comes to main fights, Bats doesn't really use much equipment, especially against other hero types.)

2.Captain America
(Take away Bat's gadgets, he is still The Best- or one of the best- martial artists in the world. Take away Cap's super metabolism and he loses at least one step in his fighting prowess)

3.Spiderman
(Spidey has the most power by far among this 5, but i would still put my money on Cap or Bats to take Peter down if they had to!)

4.Wolverine
(wolvie seems to lose as many fights as he wins because he never really does think about things a lot. He'll just jump right in the fracas whether its a good idea or not. Plus Spiderman has beaten him more than once)

5.Daredevil
(he has gotten beat a LOT, which is actually an endearing trait. Despite his powers, he is still human and loses his share of fights. In fact, i think every one above has beaten him at least once. Except Bats, and i would wager heavily on Bats taking him out. DD has beaten up Spiderman once, but Spidey had lost all of his powers.)
 

Batman vs Captain America

They've fought twice. In Marvel Comics vs DC Comics, Batman and Cap fight for hours with no clear victor, although Batman is more winded than Cap is. Batman ends up winning with a lucky batarang shot (Cap's shield missed). This outcome was decided by popular fan vote, however.

Bruce Wayne also tangled with Steve Rogers in Batman and Captain America, by John Byrne. This was set back in the Golden Age, during World War II. Soldier Steve Rogers is assigned to protect Bruce Wayne. Bruce gives him the slip, and is doing some detective work, and Steve mistakes this as espionage. They fight, matching each other perfectly, blow for blow. Bruce stops the fight when he realizes that only one man could know those martial arts moves AND have a slight physical edge on him: Captain America. Only then, does Rogers realize that Bruce Wayne is Batman.

Conclusion: the difference in skill between these two is minimal.


Batman vs. Daredevil

They've met twice, in Daredevil and Batman (by Marvel) and Batman and Daredevil (by DC). They fight briefly, with Batman actually being able to sneak up on Daredevil despite his heightened hearing. Daredevil's radar sense saves him. The fight is ended before any conclusion. Batman, however, is able to figure out that Daredevil is blind, and has heightened senses. Thus, he knows Daredevil's weakness.

Conclusion: none


Batman vs. Spider-Man

They've met twice, in Batman & Spider-Man (by DC) and Spider-Man & Batman (by Marvel). They don't fight. Batman tries to give Spidey the brush off, and when Spidey touches his shoulder, Batman puts some kind of wrist lock on him (that hurts Spidey, despite his spider-strength). Spidey flips Batman, who lands on his feet, and they call a truce.

Conclusion: none
 

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