Real Life Stats

[Oates]

A better lift to adjucate raw strength than the bench press would be a clean and jerk. This lift demonstrates both power and raw strength... The bench press is a static lift while the clean and jerk utilizes more muscle groups. Of course flexibility must be maintained. The Strength stat is more than raw power it also IMO encompasses the ability to use the muscles (i.e. climb and swim skills though why is swim not con based???)

I would have some killer physical stats but age is quickly creeping up to take its toll.

 

[Zander]

There's also an argument to be made that the IQ to INT conversion should simply be to slash IQ by 10.

As S'mon has pointed out already, the IQ/10=Int formula doesn't work well. While the 3d6 and IQ distributions can be centred on the same point so that the middle of one is in the same place as the middle of the other, the slopes of the two distributions are not the same. Someone with an IQ of 100 would indeed have an Int of about 10 but someone with an IQ of 150 would have an Int of 18.

I don't have my PHB to hand but IIRC Int is supposed to account for education/knowledge/learning as well. So all that I just said above needs to be qualified as IQ tests are designed to negate as much as possible the effects of education. There are even IQ tests for illiterate people. Education (including auto-didactic learning) should grant bonus Int points though not beyond 18 Int.

I think I can confidently say that anybody here who gives themselves an 18 in any stat is either overestimating themselves, or downright full of it.

If S'mon were to give himself an Int of 18, he would neither be overestimating nor boasting. S'mon was an undergraduate at Oxford University, has a PhD in law and is now a professor of that subject. I would say that the odds of finding an adult with S'mon's intellectual ability (innate ability + education) are even longer than 1 in 216.

I would present myself as someone with an Int of 18 but I'd rather not; modesty forbids.

 

[Mercule]

My estimate of my ability scores puts me at a 28 point buy. 32, if I give myself the benefit of the doubt in a couple of places. The only thing I'll say about them, though, is that I am the smart person in a group of smart people, and any ability I have to deal with people comes from the "Skills" section of the sheet, not from "Abilities".

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I would expect anyone with very high Int, Wis, and Cha to be simply a very high-functioning, well-adjusted version of the average person, generally speaking

I've had two bosses-of-my-bosses who suggest otherwise.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

As S'mon has pointed out already, the IQ/10=Int formula doesn't work well. While the 3d6 and IQ distributions can be centred on the same point so that the middle of one is in the same place as the middle of the other, the slopes of the two distributions are not the same. Someone with an IQ of 100 would indeed have an Int of about 10 but someone with an IQ of 150 would have an Int of 18.

The concern is that IQ doesn't measure intelligence as accurately as D20 INT does?

I don't have my PHB to hand but IIRC Int is supposed to account for education/knowledge/learning as well. So all that I just said above needs to be qualified as IQ tests are designed to negate as much as possible the effects of education. There are even IQ tests for illiterate people. Education (including auto-didactic learning) should grant bonus Int points though not beyond 18 Int.

INT allows you to access your education, it is not equal to education. Education is modeled by skill ranks.

How do we model people's ability to pat themselves on the back? Is that a reflection of a high DEX score?

 

[LordBOB]

Actually, LordBOB, you're grossly overestimating your Strength score. The best way to calculate it is to take your max power clean, multiply by 4/5, and compare the result to the heavy load column. I haven't lifted weights with any really heavy lifters, but I've noticed that this value is a fairly accurate representation in max bench press most of the time for those bench pressing up to 240 lbs. Most of the time. So, if we just go by your max bench press, that would put you at Str 18 (just barely above Str 17).

Max Power Clean = 230 x's 4/5 = 184 lbs = 17str.

now this shouldnt be how you caculate your str. score. I can easily hold upwards of 300 lbs. if needed. Im not saying that i can carry it all day but i can pick it up and hold it if needed. So according to the chart.,., i should have a str. of at least 20, maybe 21. If im wrong prove it and ill take your word for it

Maybe for caculating str. you should also factor in other lifts as well.

Bench 275
Incline 230
power clean 230ish (if you dont know what all these are than you might not ba able to help)
squat 355
leg press 750ish

These are the best i can remember....i might be off a little but no more than 5 pounds on each( if that)

 

[Zander]

The concern is that IQ doesn't measure intelligence as accurately as D20 INT does?

It's not a matter of accuracy but of granularity and translation. Most IQ tests have a granularity of 1, e.g. 150 vs 151. But each 10 points of IQ don't translate into 1 Int point except around the mean (average). As you move away from the mean, a smaller increment on the IQ scale corresponds to each point on the D&D scale. If you had the IQ curve, you could translate it to the D&D scale. It might look something like this:

up to
IQ
100 = 10 Int
110 = 11
118 = 12
125 = 13
130 = 14
134 = 15
138 = 16
142 = 17
145 = 18
and over

NB this is for illustrative purposes only. I haven't actually calculated these. Also, I haven't included the IQs under 100 but the shape of the curve beneath the mean would be a reflection of the distribution above it.

INT allows you to access your education, it is not equal to education.

I don't have a PHB handy, so I'll take your word on this.

 

[genshou]

Max Power Clean = 230 x's 4/5 = 184 lbs = 17str.

now this shouldnt be how you caculate your str. score. I can easily hold upwards of 300 lbs. if needed. Im not saying that i can carry it all day but i can pick it up and hold it if needed. So according to the chart.,., i should have a str. of at least 20, maybe 21. If im wrong prove it and ill take your word for it

Maybe for caculating str. you should also factor in other lifts as well.

Bench 275
Incline 230
power clean 230ish (if you dont know what all these are than you might not ba able to help)
squat 355
leg press 750ish

These are the best i can remember....i might be off a little but no more than 5 pounds on each( if that)

Ah, but anything in your Heavy Load category is something you can carry around all day. You're just not very agile while doing so

Every weight lifter I've ever known either has a higher power clean than their bench press, or has overemphasized bench press. In your case, perhaps you should just apply your power clean itself (no multiplication) as your heavy load, which puts you at Str 16 for exactly 230, or Str 17 if it's even 5 lbs. higher than that. Remember, Strength is not an upper-body score, it's a general one. I've known plenty of people who can lift more than you in every category, so I'd say a 20-21 Str is just a wee bit high. An old acquaintance of mine was (as of early 2003, not sure if he still holds it) the US record holder for the bench press at ages 14 and 15 (at 15, he lifted 430 lbs.). Should he have a 21 Strength? Probably.

 

[melon-neko]

Although i know this is a waste of time and D20 is not able to reflect real life abilities accurately...i'm bored =D Also, don't forget that, unlike D20, ability scores IRL can fluctuate rapidly (even without the age rules) For example, 7 years ago i was in very good shape, now i am out of breath after walking up a few flights of stairs -_- In highschool I was very smart, once i hit college my brain had a meltdown >.> So, yeah, i suppose it doesn't matter.

Melon! Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 1, Int: 4, Wis: 1, Cha: 1
I'm weak, uncoordinated, tire easily, stupid, oblivious and ugly.

Bwahaha, my stats are worse than a slimes!
Also i'm sick so i suppose i have some minus's somewhere.

Melon
CR 24

 

[genshou]

Although i know this is a waste of time and D20 is not able to reflect real life abilities accurately...i'm bored =D Also, don't forget that, unlike D20, ability scores IRL can fluctuate rapidly (even without the age rules) For example, 7 years ago i was in very good shape, now i am out of breath after walking up a few flights of stairs -_- In highschool I was very smart, once i hit college my brain had a meltdown >.> So, yeah, i suppose it doesn't matter.

Melon! Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 1, Int: 4, Wis: 1, Cha: 1
I'm weak, uncoordinated, tire easily, stupid, oblivious and ugly.

Bwahaha, my stats are worse than a slimes!
Also i'm sick so i suppose i have some minus's somewhere.

Melon
CR 24

If you had an Intelligence of 4, you would not have been able to write that post.